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Maliclavelli
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« on: May 02, 2013, 05:37:03 AM »

This sequence has been published by Ian Logan on Rootsweb:

KC964603(Italian) FTDNA Haplogroup H13a1 1-MAY-2013
A263G 315.1C A750G A1438G A4769G C6340T A8860G A10403G A11069G T14025C G15314A A15326G T16519C

It isn’t of course H13a1 and, as I was banned from there at the end of 2007, I have written to Ian privately. This is his answer I permit to publish, because it is a scientific contribute:

Hello Gioiello

Thank you.

I didn't check the haplogrouping on this new Italian sequence  - and it is clearly not 'H13a1'
as the submitter suggested (whosoever he is).

Looking at A11069G:  I find 3 sequences

HQ593807.2(Italian) Zaragoza Haplogroup [H] 13-JAN-2011
C151T A263G 309.1C 315.1C A750G A1438G A4769G A8860G A11069G T11353C A15326G T16249C T16519C

JQ703248(Finland) Behar Haplogroup [H] 07-APR-2012
A263G 315.1C A750G A1438G A4769G A8860G A10403G A11069G T11944C T14025C G15314A A15326G G16319A T16519C

KC964603(Italian) FTDNA Haplogroup [H] 1-MAY-2013

A263G 315.1C A750G A1438G A4769G C6340T A8860G A10403G A11069G T14025C G15314A A15326G T16519C
And it looks as if the mutation string  'A10403G, A11069G & T14025C' might suggest a novel subgroup in H.
- But not particularly Italian, unfortunately.

Thanks again

Ian

My answer:

Why "unfortunately"? I haven't studied the matter (with all the problems I have now) but two Italians out 3 and a Finlander should make us think to another case of "Italian Refugium". Why not? Certainly if H isn't from Middle East is more likely from Italy than Finland or at least from the Cantabrian Refugium.
Regards, friendly

I add now that of course also G15314A is common between the Finlander and the Italian and the other Italian (HQ593807) with only A11069G could be at the origin of this subclade.
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« Reply #1 on: May 02, 2013, 06:31:28 AM »

Also this sample from Behar 2012b should be added and also this comes from Italy:

Sample Id: MC2058
Unresolved Options:
Verified
Partial Descendants:
Private Mutations:  315.1C 522.1A 522.2C C6340T A10403G A11069G T14025C G15314A
Topologically Missing: 
Country: Italy
Geography: Veneto
Ancestry:
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