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« on: April 03, 2013, 09:33:06 PM »

I just passed 500 as far as exact 12 marker matches.  Does anyone out there have more?  I wonder what the most 12 marker matches would be.  I am over 600, 12 marker matches up to step 3.
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« Reply #1 on: April 03, 2013, 09:43:56 PM »

Wow , in two years I have never had a single 12 marker exact match. I have 6 or 7 one step difference matches and nothing at all after that.
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« Reply #2 on: April 03, 2013, 10:02:55 PM »

232 for me. The last page or so is full of one step matches.

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After about the third page they all turn into one step matches.
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« Reply #3 on: April 04, 2013, 04:49:38 AM »

I just passed 500 as far as exact 12 marker matches.  Does anyone out there have more?  I wonder what the most 12 marker matches would be.  I am over 600, 12 marker matches up to step 3.

Good question.

500 strikes me as a big number. Are they all your haplogroup or is there a percentage of them with nothing showing under haplogroup?

I have only 89 matches at 12 markers, of which 25 are 0 steps and the rest 1 step.

More than 50% of the total entries show either blank or "private" under haplogroup, so I have no idea what hg they belong to. Some years ago FTDNA announced that they intended to "smartmatch" Y results (as they have done with mtDNA) so that only the relevant hg was used in the match list. I don't know if they went ahead with that.

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« Reply #4 on: April 04, 2013, 07:37:08 AM »

I've 450 but this is mostly to do with my resemblance to the Scot's Modal which has now been proved to be convergence.

I've a real Scot's Modal fellow my surname projects who has 1632 exact matches

Looking at the results for somebody who has a Niall of the Nine Hostages badge revealed 2377

However the real prize probably goes to WAMH kits, such a fellow in my surname project has 6328 exact matches !!!
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« Reply #5 on: April 04, 2013, 12:47:53 PM »

A lot of 12 matches doesn't necessarily mean much as you go up to higher number of markers. 

I've got 676 exact 12 for 12 matches.

But when you go to 25 markers, I've got only 1 exact match, but he is very distant when I do the TiP calculation.  At 67 markers he drops to 17.18% at 24 generations.

At 37 markers I have no matches at even 4 steps nor do I have any matches at 67 markers.  When FTDNA let you go out to 7 steps I did have a few 6 step matches.

Every week, I hope that this will be the week I get a match at 37 or 67 markers.
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« Reply #6 on: April 04, 2013, 01:08:07 PM »

I just passed 500 as far as exact 12 marker matches.  Does anyone out there have more?  I wonder what the most 12 marker matches would be.  I am over 600, 12 marker matches up to step 3.

I have 714 exact 12 marker matches. 822 is the total of exact and 1-step matches. I've stopped looking at them ages ago.

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« Reply #7 on: April 04, 2013, 01:10:45 PM »

I've 450 but this is mostly to do with my resemblance to the Scot's Modal which has now been proved to be convergence.

I've a real Scot's Modal fellow my surname projects who has 1632 exact matches

Looking at the results for somebody who has a Niall of the Nine Hostages badge revealed 2377

However the real prize probably goes to WAMH kits, such a fellow in my surname project has 6328 exact matches !!!


Over 6000 12 marker matches is wild.
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« Reply #8 on: April 04, 2013, 01:47:09 PM »

I've 450 but this is mostly to do with my resemblance to the Scot's Modal which has now been proved to be convergence.

I've a real Scot's Modal fellow my surname projects who has 1632 exact matches

Looking at the results for somebody who has a Niall of the Nine Hostages badge revealed 2377

However the real prize probably goes to WAMH kits, such a fellow in my surname project has 6328 exact matches !!!


Over 6000 12 marker matches is wild.

And not terribly useful : )
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« Reply #9 on: April 04, 2013, 03:27:09 PM »


I have only one match at 12 markers, a very distant relative with the same surname. The number of matches at 12 markers is entirely dependent on how many off modal values one has in those 12. Six of my first 12 are off modal, hence the small number of matches. One the positive side, there is a very good, though not guaranteed, chance of a connection with anyone who has a similar pattern of off modals.
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« Reply #10 on: April 04, 2013, 03:59:42 PM »


I have only one match at 12 markers, a very distant relative with the same surname. The number of matches at 12 markers is entirely dependent on how many off modal values one has in those 12. Six of my first 12 are off modal, hence the small number of matches. One the positive side, there is a very good, though not guaranteed, chance of a connection with anyone who has a similar pattern of off modals.

I think preferable to loads of matches most of which are likely not really connected to you !!!
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« Reply #11 on: April 04, 2013, 04:30:30 PM »


I have only one match at 12 markers, a very distant relative with the same surname. The number of matches at 12 markers is entirely dependent on how many off modal values one has in those 12. Six of my first 12 are off modal, hence the small number of matches. One the positive side, there is a very good, though not guaranteed, chance of a connection with anyone who has a similar pattern of off modals.

I think preferable to loads of matches most of which are likely not really connected to you !!!

Exactly.  My markers a very close to modal.  When I first got into this it created a lot of confusion for me because by coincidence I match numerous people with my surname who are not matches past 12.  I believe it even led to a heated argument with another Webb, where I insisted we were related, and he insisted we were not.  He has not communicated with me since.  I did apologize for accusing him of being related.
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« Reply #12 on: April 04, 2013, 11:50:24 PM »

I've 450 but this is mostly to do with my resemblance to the Scot's Modal which has now been proved to be convergence.

I've a real Scot's Modal fellow my surname projects who has 1632 exact matches

Looking at the results for somebody who has a Niall of the Nine Hostages badge revealed 2377

However the real prize probably goes to WAMH kits, such a fellow in my surname project has 6328 exact matches !!!


Over 6000 12 marker matches is wild.

And not terribly useful : )

Exactly.
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« Reply #13 on: April 05, 2013, 09:30:37 AM »

I have 2378 exact 12 marker matches and 2977 counting one step.  But I am m222, so that is probably expected.  Only one match with same surname.  I have 108 matches at 67 marker at distance 5 to 7.
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« Reply #14 on: April 05, 2013, 05:56:55 PM »

602 for me.  And Jdean you are correct not much help at all!
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« Reply #15 on: April 05, 2013, 09:45:37 PM »

I have 48 exact 12-marker matches, but several of them are U106+, both L47+ and L48+. That's what comes of having 390=23.

I have a couple of really good matches that began as exact 12-marker matches, including a second cousin once removed, so I still look at them every now and then.
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« Reply #16 on: April 06, 2013, 04:51:36 AM »

I have 48 exact 12-marker matches, but several of them are U106+, both L47+ and L48+. That's what comes of having 390=23.

I have a couple of really good matches that began as exact 12-marker matches, including a second cousin once removed, so I still look at them every now and then.

A couple of years ago I received a 12 loci match for somebody with a different surname (I've got 445 such matches at the moment), I immediately emailed him in my usual enthusiastic way but received no reply.

When his exact 25 loci match came in I again emailed him and when the 3 out of 37 loci match turned up, all to the same effect.

The reason for my persistence was I had a 47/48 loci match with an Australian (judging by this fellow's email address I think he's American) of the same name whose line came from Cornwall which I thought worth pursuing, however I have learnt over time that not everybody appreciates enthusiastic emails from people with different surnames babbling on about matches : )

I think I've probably given up on emailing this gent now but I do drop by the project every now and then to see if he's upgraded to 67.
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« Reply #17 on: April 06, 2013, 08:43:47 AM »

I have 48 exact 12-marker matches, but several of them are U106+, both L47+ and L48+. That's what comes of having 390=23.

I have a couple of really good matches that began as exact 12-marker matches, including a second cousin once removed, so I still look at them every now and then.

A couple of years ago I received a 12 loci match for somebody with a different surname (I've got 445 such matches at the moment), I immediately emailed him in my usual enthusiastic way but received no reply.

When his exact 25 loci match came in I again emailed him and when the 3 out of 37 loci match turned up, all to the same effect.

The reason for my persistence was I had a 47/48 loci match with an Australian (judging by this fellow's email address I think he's American) of the same name whose line came from Cornwall which I thought worth pursuing, however I have learnt over time that not everybody appreciates enthusiastic emails from people with different surnames babbling on about matches : )

I think I've probably given up on emailing this gent now but I do drop by the project every now and then to see if he's upgraded to 67.

I've got one with the same surname as me whom I've emailed many times but who has never yet responded. That I do not understand.
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« Reply #18 on: April 06, 2013, 08:59:57 AM »

I've got one with the same surname as me whom I've emailed many times but who has never yet responded. That I do not understand.

It does make you wonder what some people think taking a DNA test is all about ?
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« Reply #19 on: April 06, 2013, 09:27:04 AM »

I've got one with the same surname as me whom I've emailed many times but who has never yet responded. That I do not understand.

It does make you wonder what some people think taking a DNA test is all about ?

I know. It is hard to understand.

I am so into this stuff and get so excited by close matches, surname or no surname, that I cannot fathom those who do not care or those with the "privacy" mania.
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« Reply #20 on: April 06, 2013, 11:24:46 AM »

I've got one with the same surname as me whom I've emailed many times but who has never yet responded. That I do not understand.

It does make you wonder what some people think taking a DNA test is all about ?

I know. It is hard to understand.

I am so into this stuff and get so excited by close matches, surname or no surname, that I cannot fathom those who do not care or those with the "privacy" mania.


Mania, you can say that again !!

Really what personal details do these people think could be learnt from their DNA results.

I'd challenge anyone to even tell what country I live in from my 111 loci results, let alone anything else : )_
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« Reply #21 on: April 06, 2013, 05:19:52 PM »

I've got one with the same surname as me whom I've emailed many times but who has never yet responded. That I do not understand.

It does make you wonder what some people think taking a DNA test is all about ?

I know. It is hard to understand.

I am so into this stuff and get so excited by close matches, surname or no surname, that I cannot fathom those who do not care or those with the "privacy" mania.


Mania, you can say that again !!

Really what personal details do these people think could be learnt from their DNA results.

I'd challenge anyone to even tell what country I live in from my 111 loci results, let alone anything else : )_

That's why I'm sort of confused by FTDNAs new introductory price for a twelve marker test.  I think a lot of people are going to be left disappointed when they get 500 matches and none are related.
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« Reply #22 on: April 06, 2013, 11:26:01 PM »

I have 48 exact 12-marker matches, but several of them are U106+, both L47+ and L48+. That's what comes of having 390=23.

Hence my earlier question to those with hundreds of so-called matches. Not matches at all if the hg is different, and not able to say one way or the other if the hg isn't even shown.
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« Reply #23 on: April 06, 2013, 11:33:59 PM »

I've got one with the same surname as me whom I've emailed many times but who has never yet responded. That I do not understand.

It does make you wonder what some people think taking a DNA test is all about ?

People take these tests for a variety of reasons. I get the impression that it's a small minority of us who are dedicated to uncovering more and more information regardless of the implications on former beliefs about family background.

Going by some of the nonsense that I've found in alleged family trees on ancestry.com I can well imagine people getting clusters of surname matches that don't accord with their cherished family myths and refusing to participate in any further discussion.

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« Reply #24 on: April 06, 2013, 11:40:49 PM »

That's why I'm sort of confused by FTDNAs new introductory price for a twelve marker test.  I think a lot of people are going to be left disappointed when they get 500 matches and none are related.

I think 12 marker test should have been buried. However, Greenspan says he needs a  entry level product. My reply to him would be "How about making 25 markers cheaper?"
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