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mcg11
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« on: April 03, 2013, 11:02:46 AM »

The clan gregor chief is L1335+.  does anyone know who else is?  Have any SE Irish been tested for this SNP?
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« Reply #1 on: April 03, 2013, 11:31:11 AM »

There is an L1335+ category at the R-L21 Plus Project. There you can see a list of quite a few of those who have tested L1335+. Most of them belong to the Scots Modal Cluster, but there is a Welsh cluster that has tested L1335+, too.
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« Reply #2 on: April 03, 2013, 12:34:19 PM »

I know there are several downstream SNPS for L1335.  Which one is the Welsh cluster and  are there very many in the Welsh cluster, is L1335 mostly Scots modal?
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« Reply #3 on: April 04, 2013, 12:07:31 AM »

The Wales guys - Variety 1335-W2 are ancestral.

L1335+, L1065-, L743

The core 1030 Scots are L1335+, L1065+

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Pos: Z245 L459 L21 DF13**
Neg: DF23 L513 L96 L144 Z255 Z253 DF21 DF41 (Z254 P66 P314.2 M37 M222  L563 L526 L226 L195 L193 L192.1 L159.2 L130 DF63 DF5 DF49)
WTYNeg: L555 L371 (L9/L10 L370 L302/L319.1 L554 L564 L577 P69 L626 L627 L643 L679)
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« Reply #4 on: April 07, 2013, 11:13:12 AM »

Yes, the chieftain of Clan Gregor is L 1065+.   I date this to approximately 1000 AD, with the convergence of Clan Donald (R1b), Gregor, Buchanan, MacMillan and possibly MacKinnon.
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« Reply #5 on: April 07, 2013, 11:58:54 AM »

Yes, the chieftain of Clan Gregor is L 1065+.   I date this to approximately 1000 AD, with the convergence of Clan Donald (R1b), Gregor, Buchanan, MacMillan and possibly MacKinnon.

There are a few Macdonalds and macmillans who are also L165.
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« Reply #6 on: April 07, 2013, 12:16:42 PM »

I've got L1065 on order, hopefully get the result soon.
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« Reply #7 on: April 07, 2013, 12:39:35 PM »

I would also like to know who has tested L743+?  Any Campbells?

The answer to my first question must be that the SE Irish are negative for this SNP.  They and the Dal Riadas separated long before this mutation.
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« Reply #8 on: April 14, 2013, 11:21:58 AM »

In a message to Bob (mcg11) I stated

The L1335** guy are really closely related ie at around 518 ybp modal which is not a good picture. I have to combine them with the rest of the Scots to get a true age. So everyone needs  to test for both SNPs. Noting the ages mentioned below the maybe only about three GD difference.  Mark

R1b-P312>L21>DF13>L1335 & L1065 and zzL21suspects

YrsPerGen =30   N=642    1,749.5 +-551.0 ybp    CI@99.73 = +-657.6 year

Whats interesting is that the L1065's are developing an more recent age which we can now use to get the age range.

R1b-P312>L21>DF13>L1335>L1065* tested
YrsPerGen =30   N=13    1,340.2 +-651.6 ybp


fN5620   Backstrom(J√§mtland)   R1b-P312>L21>DF13>L1335>L1065*   NO Baltic Sea   1335-Sc   Sweden
fN36830   Moore   R1b-P312>L21>DF13>L1335>L1065*   IS Eng z unk   1335-Sc   England
fN63882   Patterson   R1b-P312>L21>DF13>L1335>L1065*   IS Ire Ulster   1335-Sc   Ireland
f14346   Tagert   R1b-P312>L21>DF13>L1335>L1065*   zzRegion   1335-Sc   zzCountry
fN44383   Tate   R1b-P312>L21>DF13>L1335>L1065*   IS Ire Ulster   1335-Sc   Ireland
f120820   MacFarland   R1b-P312>L21>DF13>L1335>L1065*   IS Ire Ulster   1335-Sc-2410   Ireland
f147012   Young   R1b-P312>L21>DF13>L1335>L1065*   IS Sco z unk   1335-Sc-2413   Scotland
f107327   Iles   R1b-P312>L21>DF13>L1335>L1065*   IS Eng East Midlands   1335-Sc-2415   England
fU2370   Lees   R1b-P312>L21>DF13>L1335>L1065*   IS Ire Ulster   1335-Sc-2415   Ireland
f143812   MacRae   R1b-P312>L21>DF13>L1335>L1065*   IS Sco North   1335-Sc-2424   Scotland
f95886   McCoy   R1b-P312>L21>DF13>L1335>L1065*   IS Sco North   1335-Sc-2437   Scotland
f108937   Neilson   R1b-P312>L21>DF13>L1335>L1065*   IS Sco West & Central   1335-Sc-2437   Scotland
f258447   Taylor   R1b-P312>L21>DF13>L1335>L1065*   zzRegion   1335-Sc-2437   zzCountry

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148326
Pos: Z245 L459 L21 DF13**
Neg: DF23 L513 L96 L144 Z255 Z253 DF21 DF41 (Z254 P66 P314.2 M37 M222  L563 L526 L226 L195 L193 L192.1 L159.2 L130 DF63 DF5 DF49)
WTYNeg: L555 L371 (L9/L10 L370 L302/L319.1 L554 L564 L577 P69 L626 L627 L643 L679)
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