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Brent L Bowen
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« on: February 26, 2013, 05:19:34 PM »

Each of the Haplogroup designations in the subject line refer to the same Haplogroup with the last one a Geno 2.0 designation for the most ancient.

My Bowen family is from Carmarthenshire and Glamorganshire, Wales.  I have been unable to tie to the Pembrokeshire or other Bowen / Ab Owein / Ap Owein familes and certainly not to the suspected Roman conscripts from Thrace / Mesopotamia as conjectured.

This thread is an attempt to try to get those connections.
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« Reply #1 on: March 17, 2013, 12:10:02 PM »

Brent,
I got my results back from the Geno2 project about a week ago and my Y-Chromo haplogroup was identified as E-PF2217, which is derived from V13.  I just applied for a second test with familyfindersDNA.  My last name is Scull, a name most common in the west of England near Bristol.  My original paternal ancestor to come to cross the ocean did so in 1682.  Since E-PF2217 is most common in Greece and Albania (if I understand my Geno2 results correctly) my thoughts are that our common ancestor could have been a Greek who migrated to Apollonia or  Epidamus, but it could just have likely been an Illyrian who came to Greece during the Macedonian period if not earlier.  Once the Romans conquered everything the possiblities of greater distribution are endless.  What have you learned about E-PF2217 so far?  Do you have any sources you would recommend?    
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« Reply #2 on: March 17, 2013, 01:34:22 PM »

Hi Chronicle -  Dunno about E-PF2217 other than it is probably the terminal SNP for your E-V13.  Here's the closest I could see on ISOGG:    •    E1b1b1a1b   L142.1, L542/PF2220, PF2211/V13, PF2210/V36,   (http://www.isogg.org/tree/ISOGG_HapgrpE.html)/

Interesting to see E-V13 in Bristol - not far from Wales.

This is still a work in progress for all of us.   We'll keep in touch.  Brent
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« Reply #3 on: March 17, 2013, 01:56:20 PM »

Robert -

I gave my Geno 2.0 results to FTDNA.  Not sure they are with FamilyFinder (I'd given them my 23andme info), but they are with Y:      Tests Taken
E-V13   Z148+ V9+ V36+ V189+ V13+ PF970+ PF1557+ PAGES00102+ P29+ P2+ P183+ P181+ P180+ P179+ P177+ P176+ P175+ P173+ P172+ P171+ P170+ P169+ P165+ P162+ P155+ P153+ P152+ P150+ P147+ P144+ M96+ M94+ M78+ M42+ M294+ M243+ M215+ M203+ M168+ M145+ M139+ L796+ L676+ L618+ L614+ L594+ L566+ L552+ L547+ L546+ L545+ L544+ L542+ L541+ L539+ L538+ L537+ L517+ L516+ L515+ L512+ L510+ L507+ L504+ L499+ L493+ L489+ L477+ L366+ L336+ L117+ CTS8002+ CTS6834+ CTS1978+

My E-V13 (Bowen) family didn't come to the US until 1856.   B
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« Reply #4 on: September 10, 2013, 05:43:56 PM »

Hello Brent,

You are the first person I've discovered who also tested positive for E-CTS9320 on Gene 2.0. FTDNA could only get me to E-V13 so I tested with Gene 2.0 to get deeper.

Is your DYS data displayed somewhere so I can compare it with mine? My FTDNA kit number is 17034. Do you have any relatives who lived in the south, particularly, New Orleans? Or, maybe I'm a little premature in trying to find a link.

-Robert Commagere
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« Reply #5 on: February 16, 2014, 10:37:22 PM »

Hey Robert - I'm FTDNA Kit # B1790.  My Tree is on myheritage.com, ancestry.com (BrentLBowenAncestors / brentbowen1 - or send me an email and I'll invite you), and wikitree.com. 

No E-V13 relatives in the South.

Lemme know at brentbowen@cox.net if above doesn't satisfy and I'll send you my DYSs.

By now you've probably checked out the ties of our Haplogroup to the Balkans - mine ostensibly via conscripted Thracian soldiers sent by the Romans to Wales and Scotland in 43BC.  Thrace in area now Romania and Bulgaria and part of Turkey.  Some take the line back to Samaria and Hebrew connections.     Brent
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