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« on: February 14, 2013, 01:50:03 AM »

I tried logging into YSearch tonight and it's not being recognized. Anybody else having the same issue?

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« Reply #1 on: February 14, 2013, 05:33:18 AM »

I tried logging into YSearch tonight and it's not being recognized. Anybody else having the same issue?

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Yep, apparently it's down. I don't know if that's a crash of some sort, or -- shock! horror! -- FTDNA is actually doing maintenance on this "Cinderella" system.

FTDNA recently changed the way they compute genetic distance on their own database, and I've been wondering if they had any intention of bringing Ysearch into line with that change.
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« Reply #2 on: February 14, 2013, 12:50:31 PM »

I note in passing that YHRD.org has added some additional useful data.
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« Reply #3 on: February 14, 2013, 10:50:21 PM »

I'm glad I wasn't the only one who couldn't access it.
Hopefully it's just a temporary blip :)
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« Reply #4 on: February 20, 2013, 10:33:47 PM »

I read it was raided by data miners on the FTDNA forum so they closed it down.
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« Reply #5 on: February 21, 2013, 07:07:05 AM »

I read it was raided by data miners on the FTDNA forum so they closed it down.

It's up, but you only get this message:

"Welcome

Due to a recent increase in abusive data mining by automated scripts, we have experienced several outages to the website.

As such, the website will be down for an extended period of indeterminate duration.

Thank You,
Site Management"

Given that FTDNA doesn't really care about Ysearch (reportedly, Greenspan told an attendee at their most recent annual Conference that it's "not a priority"), it may be a long time before we see it again.
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« Reply #6 on: February 21, 2013, 08:41:37 PM »

I hope they work on some improvements while they have the site down and bring it back in better shape than it was. It needs to be able to handle FTDNA's 111-marker haplotypes, for one thing.

I'd also like to see them get rid of that dratted "Captcha" gizmo.
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« Reply #7 on: February 21, 2013, 10:23:04 PM »

I hope they work on some improvements while they have the site down and bring it back in better shape than it was. It needs to be able to handle FTDNA's 111-marker haplotypes, for one thing.

I'd also like to see them get rid of that dratted "Captcha" gizmo.

They probably will no longer be using CAPTCHA which normally prevents the automation of requests. But these registration processes are easily automated
with use of 'CAPTCHA cracking'  technology. There are now websites out in the wild that have automated API's for sale and these companies are able finding humans that are willing to do the work cheaply enough providing the 'Human Eye' at a $1 per 1000 CAPTCHA reads which is why Ysearch is offline as stated on their spash page. "Due to a recent increase in abusive data mining by automated scripts, we have experienced several outages to the website."

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« Reply #8 on: February 21, 2013, 10:54:59 PM »

I'd also like to see them get rid of that dratted "Captcha" gizmo.

Well, yeah, the "Captcha" gizmo was a horrid, tedious burden for ysearch, but its history is quite interesting. In 2000, Luis van Ahn did early pioneering work with Manuel Blum on CAPTCHAs. Luis came and gave a wonderful talk on CAPTCHA and reCAPTCHA technologies several years ago as an invited guest speaker where I used to work. He's an interesting guy. And Manuel Blum was one of the best and most fascinating university professors I ever had back in the 1970's. While you may not like CAPTCHA very much, you can't help but respect van Ahn and Blum as first class computer scientists.
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« Reply #9 on: February 22, 2013, 02:43:33 AM »

I'd also like to see them get rid of that dratted "Captcha" gizmo.

Well, yeah, the "Captcha" gizmo was a horrid, tedious burden for ysearch, but its history is quite interesting. In 2000, Luis van Ahn did early pioneering work with Manuel Blum on CAPTCHAs. Luis came and gave a wonderful talk on CAPTCHA and reCAPTCHA technologies several years ago as an invited guest speaker where I used to work. He's an interesting guy. And Manuel Blum was one of the best and most fascinating university professors I ever had back in the 1970's. While you may not like CAPTCHA very much, you can't help but respect van Ahn and Blum as first class computer scientists.

It certainly is admirable what they did. The only problem with Captcha is that it never kept up with the emerging threats that make it irrelevant. Kind of like how our data infrastructure is at great peril with cyber hacking, etc. more so now than ever. It should really frighten us and for some reason, it just doesn't.

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« Reply #10 on: February 22, 2013, 07:50:02 AM »

I hope they work on some improvements while they have the site down and bring it back in better shape than it was. It needs to be able to handle FTDNA's 111-marker haplotypes, for one thing.

I'd be willing to bet that won;t happen. As mentioned earlier, Greenspan told an attendee of the last Annual Conference that Ysearch is not a priority. (I read that as zero priority given the other issues facing FTDNA>)

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I'd also like to see them get rid of that dratted "Captcha" gizmo.

They may ditch the current Captcha given that it's not difficult to circumvent by determined people.
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« Reply #11 on: March 18, 2013, 04:13:05 PM »

Same here...  When trying to log onto Y-search.org I got a 404 error...

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« Reply #12 on: March 20, 2013, 01:21:45 PM »

YSearch is active again.
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« Reply #13 on: March 20, 2013, 03:40:37 PM »

YSearch is active again.

Phew, I was quite worried they really weren’t very concerned about Ysearch !!
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« Reply #14 on: March 20, 2013, 04:48:39 PM »

Having used ysearch for a long time I missed it as well and was worried that it would go the way of DNA forums.  I am glad it didn't!

The nature of R1b, especially in the case of U152 and downstream SNP's is that you can and often do get a relatively close match with someone who is of a different subclade.  It has been said to me that because of the closeness of L21* to L2+ (for instance) you could get a match or close to one and it wouldn't really be a match. 

In other words because of backward mutations, etc. the STR comparisons aren't very helpful even at 67 or 111.

The most accurate comparisons, it seems, are the SNP maps on R-U152 and Subclades thanks to  Steve Gilbert, Richard Rocca & Tbor Fehér.  Many have not tested their SNPs though and so we wait hoping they will!

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« Reply #15 on: March 20, 2013, 08:57:50 PM »

YSearch is active again.

Phew, I was quite worried they really weren’t very concerned about Ysearch !!

IMO they aren't. It's their Cinderella.
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« Reply #16 on: March 20, 2013, 09:02:15 PM »

YSearch is active again.

Phew, I was quite worried they really weren’t very concerned about Ysearch !!

IMO they aren't. It's their Cinderella.

At least they're letting her dance again : )_
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« Reply #17 on: March 20, 2013, 10:05:18 PM »

I too am glad to see Ysearch back up. Despite its shortcomings, it's far better than nothing.
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« Reply #18 on: March 21, 2013, 08:45:35 AM »

I too am glad to see Ysearch back up. Despite its shortcomings, it's far better than nothing.

I agree, but I'd be happier if a Prince Charming would set up a better tool elsewhere.
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« Reply #19 on: March 28, 2013, 01:19:46 PM »

I too am glad to see Ysearch back up. Despite its shortcomings, it's far better than nothing.

I agree, but I'd be happier if a Prince Charming would set up a better tool elsewhere.

Once upon a time the guy who created the site-that-shall-no-longer-be-named planned such a contraption, but it never came to fruition.
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« Reply #20 on: March 28, 2013, 03:57:31 PM »

I too am glad to see Ysearch back up. Despite its shortcomings, it's far better than nothing.

I agree, but I'd be happier if a Prince Charming would set up a better tool elsewhere.

Once upon a time the guy who created the site-that-shall-no-longer-be-named planned such a contraption, but it never came to fruition.

Be nice when they get the email function fixed : )_
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