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« Reply #125 on: May 12, 2013, 12:31:54 PM »

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« Reply #126 on: May 15, 2013, 02:19:09 PM »

Hi Maliclavelli :)

Thank you, again. :)

So it is basically just 'Albanian', which must mean that some stayed 'home' and some migrated, I suppose.

~ Albanians - still 'at home'.

~ Albanian / Greek Arvanites. My ancestors.

~ Albanian Italian Arbanesh / Arbereshet. Your ancestors, I believe?


Does anyone yet know ~ did more leave or stay?

And with the descendents of those who stayed, is this still a highly representative cluster for native Albanians?

Fascinating stuff!
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« Reply #127 on: May 15, 2013, 02:52:52 PM »

~ Albanian Italian Arbanesh / Arbereshet. Your ancestors, I believe?
I am not of Arbereshe origin, because I was born in Tuscany and my paternal line is Tuscan at least from the beginning of the 14th century (del Badia from Castelfiorentino, Firenze/Florence province, and from my ancestor Antonio del Badia, who was born on 1449, comes my surname Tognoni). I know a little the Arbereshe language and I have a vocabulary published in Calabria: Fjalor i-Arbereshevet t'Italise).
My haplotype is very different from the "Balkan cluster": ySearch KV7Y2, and, as I have said, a Balkan cluster in Italy demonstrates a recent origin (15th century or later) from Albania.
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« Reply #128 on: May 15, 2013, 07:49:14 PM »

Hi Maliclavelli :)

Thank you, again. :)

So it is basically just 'Albanian', which must mean that some stayed 'home' and some migrated, I suppose.

~ Albanians - still 'at home'.

~ Albanian / Greek Arvanites. My ancestors.

~ Albanian Italian Arbanesh / Arbereshet. Your ancestors, I believe?


Does anyone yet know ~ did more leave or stay?

And with the descendents of those who stayed, is this still a highly representative cluster for native Albanians?

Fascinating stuff!
Yes it is. More among Albanian in kosovo.
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« Reply #129 on: May 16, 2013, 08:57:29 AM »

I've been reading this thread for clues as to my ancestry within the R1b1a2a haplogroup. I tested both at FTDNA (67 markers) and at 23 and me. The FTDNA test brought back a result of M269, and the 23 test showed a result of L23- but having L49 positive.

I'm just starting off exploring this all in depth, since there's really no further genealogical records available to source my search from. The markers I show at FTDNA aren't the same as you were discussing, either, but this is the only thread that comes close to the subject that I am interested in discussing.

I can type out the DYS markers if you need to have a look to see. What are relevant markers you all are interested in?

While my father's side of the YDNA isn't Balkan, his mother's is. I get a lot of Southern European DNA hits from gedmatch, and traceable family history to the area. 
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« Reply #130 on: May 16, 2013, 09:14:45 AM »

The FTDNA test brought back a result of M269, and the 23 test showed a result of L23- but having L49 positive.

I'd be very grateful to you if you communicate us your markers' results and any information about you. If you aren't the troll who knows much of genetics and writes frequently to me but a real person with these results, you could be the first L23- and L49+, and it would be very interesting.
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« Reply #131 on: May 16, 2013, 10:12:20 AM »

The FTDNA test brought back a result of M269, and the 23 test showed a result of L23- but having L49 positive.

I'd be very grateful to you if you communicate us your markers' results and any information about you. If you aren't the troll who knows much of genetics and writes frequently to me but a real person with these results, you could be the first L23- and L49+, and it would be very interesting.

I have been called a troll before, but not within the DNA framework. :)

But yes, if you wish to look at the FTDNA results, here is the number to my ysearch results. HV6ZE. I don't know if one can figure out the L49 results from those numbers or not. All I know is that 23 and me tells me that result.

I also know of one other person that has that result, from Armenia.
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« Reply #132 on: May 16, 2013, 11:59:10 AM »

I have been called a troll before, but not within the DNA framework. :)
But yes, if you wish to look at the FTDNA results, here is the number to my ysearch results. HV6ZE. I don't know if one can figure out the L49 results from those numbers or not. All I know is that 23 and me tells me that result.
I also know of one other person that has that result, from Armenia.

I apologize if you felt offended by me. It wasn't my intention. I wanted be sure that you were a real person and not that troll who writes sometime to me. And why all these secrets?
If you are Robbins, I did know your interesting haplotype, I'll study again now. From what I have seen, your values may actually be intermediate between R-L49+ and not yet L23-. I wander that nobody has yet tested you for all the other SNPs, because your case could be a revolution.
I'll write to you again after studying your haplotype, but the value 12 at DYS640 (Mutation rate: 0,000196) is very important and links you to other people also distant from you.
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« Reply #133 on: May 16, 2013, 12:28:53 PM »

37486   Levi Robbins, c1806-c1856, Overton Co., TN   R1b1a2a    R-L23   L23+, L51-, L584-, P312-, Z2105+

But this test demonstrates that the Robbins are Z2105+, then are also L23+ and L49+.
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« Reply #134 on: May 16, 2013, 02:46:32 PM »

I have been called a troll before, but not within the DNA framework. :)
But yes, if you wish to look at the FTDNA results, here is the number to my ysearch results. HV6ZE. I don't know if one can figure out the L49 results from those numbers or not. All I know is that 23 and me tells me that result.
I also know of one other person that has that result, from Armenia.

I apologize if you felt offended by me. It wasn't my intention. I wanted be sure that you were a real person and not that troll who writes sometime to me. And why all these secrets?
If you are Robbins, I did know your interesting haplotype, I'll study again now. From what I have seen, your values may actually be intermediate between R-L49+ and not yet L23-. I wander that nobody has yet tested you for all the other SNPs, because your case could be a revolution.
I'll write to you again after studying your haplotype, but the value 12 at DYS640 (Mutation rate: 0,000196) is very important and links you to other people also distant from you.
No secrets, just easier to look at the link I sent you than me typing it all out. Sorry, I'm just a bit lazy... :)

Now about the L23...  23 and me gives me a no call. That make a difference? I have also heard that L49 is equal to L23.

And, the DNA sequence for the Ydna is on this page:
http://www.familytreedna.com/public/robins/default.aspx?section=yresults
The kit I submitted is 74013, in case you are interested.
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« Reply #135 on: May 16, 2013, 02:51:12 PM »

37486   Levi Robbins, c1806-c1856, Overton Co., TN   R1b1a2a    R-L23   L23+, L51-, L584-, P312-, Z2105+

But this test demonstrates that the Robbins are Z2105+, then are also L23+ and L49+.

Here's my 23 results:

R1b1b2a defining mutations



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rs9785971 (L23)            G    A
rs9786142 (L49)       A   T    A

Note that 23 is still using the old ISOGG definitions.

And what needs to be tested for that Z2105+ mutation?

AND, just ran across the answer to Jarman on this forum page:
http://www.worldfamilies.net/forum/index.php?topic=10952.0

Jarman has died, if he's the same guy I think he is that was doing the Robbins DNA research. I'm trying to carry this on in his absence, without his expertise.
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« Reply #136 on: May 16, 2013, 03:36:38 PM »

Here's my 23 results:
R1b1b2a defining mutations
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                             call anc der
rs9785971 (L23)            G    A
rs9786142 (L49)       A   T    A

Note that 23 is still using the old ISOGG definitions.
And what needs to be tested for that Z2105+ mutation?
AND, just ran across the answer to Jarman on this forum page:
http://www.worldfamilies.net/forum/index.php?topic=10952.0

Jarman has died, if he's the same guy I think he is that was doing the Robbins DNA research. I'm trying to carry this on in his absence, without his expertise.

I’m sorry about Jarman. Perhaps I knew him in some forum before someone banned me.
Re: your L23 to have a no call does mean that you hadn’t any result, not a negative one.
You (and all the Robbins and many linked with you with other surnames) are R-Z2105+ like me, but also your haplotype is very interesting and merits to be studied, above all to understand where it came from. Then feel free to write to this and other forums and ask me all you desire.
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« Reply #137 on: May 16, 2013, 03:53:39 PM »

Here's my 23 results:
R1b1b2a defining mutations
variant

                             call anc der
rs9785971 (L23)            G    A
rs9786142 (L49)       A   T    A

Note that 23 is still using the old ISOGG definitions.
And what needs to be tested for that Z2105+ mutation?
AND, just ran across the answer to Jarman on this forum page:
http://www.worldfamilies.net/forum/index.php?topic=10952.0

Jarman has died, if he's the same guy I think he is that was doing the Robbins DNA research. I'm trying to carry this on in his absence, without his expertise.

I’m sorry about Jarman. Perhaps I knew him in some forum before someone banned me.
Re: your L23 to have a no call does mean that you hadn’t any result, not a negative one.
You (and all the Robbins and many linked with you with other surnames) are R-Z2105+ like me, but also your haplotype is very interesting and merits to be studied, above all to understand where it came from. Then feel free to write to this and other forums and ask me all you desire.


You knew him from here, and probably elsewhere as well. He was quite interested in the subject, and knew his stuff, all right.

I'll give you my 2 cents on the origins of this haplogroup as it applies to the Robbins family that matches the haplogroup above, and let me know what you are thinking, correct me if I am wrong or off the track.

The family origins led to Scotland, where most of the people that are in the area are generally DYS 393 =12, and not many are of the R1b1a2a with this marker. There are some pages out there, such as the Border Reivers page, that believe that some people around Hadrian's wall were descended from Sarmatian cavalry that were brought over from Sarmatia in the time of the Roman occupation of Britain. There were, according to some accounts, 5000 of these soldiers brought over to Britain at one time.

This movement across Europe would have been rapid and accomplished within a few months, to accomplish their goals, which was the protection of the Hadrian's wall and other fortifications around the area. Once there, I would assume that there would be assimilation with the local populations. So, that's the best guess as to the origins. The nearest peoples that have similar markers and haplogroup come from the area formerly occupied by the Sarmatians and Alans.

3rd party tests at gedmatch I have taken predicted some of my DNA comes from the Mediterranian region, as well as a percentage from the Caucasus. Of course there's always the northern European for me as well.
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« Reply #138 on: May 16, 2013, 04:06:57 PM »

172797      Armenia   R1b1a2a
182456   Dicran Derunian, Pendik, Turkey   Turkey   R1b1a2a
257843      Unknown Origin   R1b1a2a1
178134      Unknown Origin   R1b1a2a
185690      Turkey   R1b1a2a1
         
40812   Richard Robins, b c1710, res. Rowan Co., NC   Scotland   R1b1a2
37486   Levi Robbins, c1806-c1856, Overton Co., TN   Scotland   R1b1a2a
257842   Helmut Bork, 1931 -1983 Darmstadt, Germany   Germany   R1b1a2a1


These are the people on the “ht 35 FTDNA Project” with DYS640=12. If they have the same origin, the hypothesis of a Sarmatian or Alan origin could be likely. It seems that the link is with Turkey and Caucasus. But there are also two R-L584 with DYS640=12. Thus, of course, the mutation, even though very rare, happened also autonomously.


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« Reply #139 on: May 16, 2013, 04:12:20 PM »

But you shouldn't forget that I have always supported the other way around, i.e. that Western Europe is the origin: I make you note that you Robbins are the unique to have YCAIIa=18, which I have always thought the ancestral value of R-M269* and probably also of R-L23*.
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« Reply #140 on: May 16, 2013, 06:12:28 PM »

172797      Armenia   R1b1a2a
182456   Dicran Derunian, Pendik, Turkey   Turkey   R1b1a2a
257843      Unknown Origin   R1b1a2a1
178134      Unknown Origin   R1b1a2a
185690      Turkey   R1b1a2a1
         
40812   Richard Robins, b c1710, res. Rowan Co., NC   Scotland   R1b1a2
37486   Levi Robbins, c1806-c1856, Overton Co., TN   Scotland   R1b1a2a
257842   Helmut Bork, 1931 -1983 Darmstadt, Germany   Germany   R1b1a2a1


These are the people on the “ht 35 FTDNA Project” with DYS640=12. If they have the same origin, the hypothesis of a Sarmatian or Alan origin could be likely. It seems that the link is with Turkey and Caucasus. But there are also two R-L584 with DYS640=12. Thus, of course, the mutation, even though very rare, happened also autonomously.


And that, of course is the problem I am having. Could be autonomous, or could be from the Caucasus or Turkey. 2 of the examples listed are in my surname study. Are you familiar with the gedmatch program and the use of the Oracle to predict origins? The multiple tools within that site's autosomal prediction algorhythms consistently gives me a percentage of Caucasus, North or South.

What are your opinions as to the accuracy of the tools on Gedmatch? I like the Eurotools, but have ran the kit through a number of others, with varying successes. I guess it's all pretty subjective, but the Caucasus results along with the YDNA results, kinds of points me in the direction I've been leaning.

But naturally, the other results you listed here may be due to moving around, as well. That German entry is really recent to be listed amongst historical results. I'd bet on possible movement into the region, not a natural instance of a mutation.
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« Reply #141 on: May 16, 2013, 06:22:41 PM »

But you shouldn't forget that I have always supported the other way around, i.e. that Western Europe is the origin: I make you note that you Robbins are the unique to have YCAIIa=18, which I have always thought the ancestral value of R-M269* and probably also of R-L23*.

Not ALL Robbins have this haplotype, or mutation, as it's been shown in the surname study. One is showing a 23 at YCAIIa. I wonder how that applies to relationships? The surname study is how I proved my link to Daniel Robinson/Robins, before the paper trail existed.

And, what marker is available to test for the Z2105? This is obviously a SNP somewhere in the Y-DNA, just need to know what it is.

AND, Adriano Squecco labels my DNA this way.

Robbins (R-M269 L49+ rs7067495+ M64+)

But, that is a SNP result. I'm learning the difference between the 2 tests. Unfortunately for me. Means that I'm probably going to have to run an upgrade someday at FTDNA.
 
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« Reply #142 on: May 17, 2013, 02:18:58 PM »

172797      Armenia   R1b1a2a
182456   Dicran Derunian, Pendik, Turkey   Turkey   R1b1a2a
257843      Unknown Origin   R1b1a2a1
178134      Unknown Origin   R1b1a2a
185690      Turkey   R1b1a2a1
         
40812   Richard Robins, b c1710, res. Rowan Co., NC   Scotland   R1b1a2
37486   Levi Robbins, c1806-c1856, Overton Co., TN   Scotland   R1b1a2a
257842   Helmut Bork, 1931 -1983 Darmstadt, Germany   Germany   R1b1a2a1


These are the people on the “ht 35 FTDNA Project” with DYS640=12. If they have the same origin, the hypothesis of a Sarmatian or Alan origin could be likely. It seems that the link is with Turkey and Caucasus. But there are also two R-L584 with DYS640=12. Thus, of course, the mutation, even though very rare, happened also autonomously.

But naturally, the other results you listed here may be due to moving around, as well. That German entry is really recent to be listed amongst historical results. I'd bet on possible movement into the region, not a natural instance of a mutation.

Hey, its Joe, that German.  Or should I say my dad was that German.  Thanks for looking into the unique YCA=18-23 and DYS640=12 strs.

Regarding Helmut and Darmstadt.  All I can say is a strong argument could be made for Jewish, Roman legacy and early 20th century from somewhere east.  Darmstadt or Süd-Hessen has a lot of overlapping history, not all of it good.

Bronco480, I see one L584- tested in your project. Hopefully we will see more snp testing in your Robins likely L23/L150 kits.  The Robins project has more related L23/L150 folks than any other group.  I have just finished L584-, L277- and have Z2103 and Z2105 in the lab.

My sympathies regarding Jarman.  I have read his post and appreciate his work with your project.  Bronco480, thank you for taking on this work.  Let me know if I can be of assistance.

Maliclavelli, all I can say is the Romans seem to have a lot to do with some of the L23/L150 distribution.  I think it will be figured out, someday.

Thanks, Joe

P.S.  My mutations are all natural.
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172797      Armenia   R1b1a2a
182456   Dicran Derunian, Pendik, Turkey   Turkey   R1b1a2a
257843      Unknown Origin   R1b1a2a1
178134      Unknown Origin   R1b1a2a
185690      Turkey   R1b1a2a1
         
40812   Richard Robins, b c1710, res. Rowan Co., NC   Scotland   R1b1a2
37486   Levi Robbins, c1806-c1856, Overton Co., TN   Scotland   R1b1a2a
257842   Helmut Bork, 1931 -1983 Darmstadt, Germany   Germany   R1b1a2a1


These are the people on the “ht 35 FTDNA Project” with DYS640=12. If they have the same origin, the hypothesis of a Sarmatian or Alan origin could be likely. It seems that the link is with Turkey and Caucasus. But there are also two R-L584 with DYS640=12. Thus, of course, the mutation, even though very rare, happened also autonomously.

But naturally, the other results you listed here may be due to moving around, as well. That German entry is really recent to be listed amongst historical results. I'd bet on possible movement into the region, not a natural instance of a mutation.

Hey, its Joe, that German.  Or should I say my dad was that German.  Thanks for looking into the unique YCA=18-23 and DYS640=12 strs.

Regarding Helmut and Darmstadt.  All I can say is a strong argument could be made for Jewish, Roman legacy and early 20th century from somewhere east.  Darmstadt or Süd-Hessen has a lot of overlapping history, not all of it good.

Bronco480, I see one L584- tested in your project. Hopefully we will see more snp testing in your Robins likely L23/L150 kits.  The Robins project has more related L23/L150 folks than any other group.  I have just finished L584-, L277- and have Z2103 and Z2105 in the lab.

My sympathies regarding Jarman.  I have read his post and appreciate his work with your project.  Bronco480, thank you for taking on this work.  Let me know if I can be of assistance.

Maliclavelli, all I can say is the Romans seem to have a lot to do with some of the L23/L150 distribution.  I think it will be figured out, someday.

Thanks, Joe

P.S.  My mutations are all natural.

Joe, thanks for the input. Have you done any genealogical digging into your Dad's ancestors? Or is that the earliest ancestor that you have information on?

I can't say that I'm taking on Jarman's work, Joe. He was far more into the work than I am. Of course, I'm doing a dual track with 2 different tests, so perhaps there may be more info coming in than just the one test.

Joe, which test kit in the Robins project tested at L584? And how can you tell?
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« Reply #144 on: May 17, 2013, 09:16:21 PM »

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Joe, thanks for the input. Have you done any genealogical digging into your Dad's ancestors? Or is that the earliest ancestor that you have information on?

I can't say that I'm taking on Jarman's work, Joe. He was far more into the work than I am. Of course, I'm doing a dual track with 2 different tests, so perhaps there may be more info coming in than just the one test.

Joe, which test kit in the Robins project tested at L584? And how can you tell?

Bronco480,
Nothing on my Dad's paternal side genealogy.  As you may have figured out, 1930s Germany has some real challenges.  I have been known to have a beer with my Oma's side in Darmstadt and have a good history for her side of the family.  So not all is lost.

Several of your project members belong to the R1b1a2 (P312- U106-) DNA Project (aka ht35 Project) and I just looked at the snp page.  (37486 is L584-)  The ISOGG phylogenetic tree will hopefully be updated with some new snps soon.  L23/L150 or whatever we end up calling it needs more data points to figure this out, so thanks for the testing. 
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Joe, thanks for the input. Have you done any genealogical digging into your Dad's ancestors? Or is that the earliest ancestor that you have information on?

I can't say that I'm taking on Jarman's work, Joe. He was far more into the work than I am. Of course, I'm doing a dual track with 2 different tests, so perhaps there may be more info coming in than just the one test.

Joe, which test kit in the Robins project tested at L584? And how can you tell?

Bronco480,
Nothing on my Dad's paternal side genealogy.  As you may have figured out, 1930s Germany has some real challenges.  I have been known to have a beer with my Oma's side in Darmstadt and have a good history for her side of the family.  So not all is lost.

Several of your project members belong to the R1b1a2 (P312- U106-) DNA Project (aka ht35 Project) and I just looked at the snp page.  (37486 is L584-)  The ISOGG phylogenetic tree will hopefully be updated with some new snps soon.  L23/L150 or whatever we end up calling it needs more data points to figure this out, so thanks for the testing.  


I've had difficulties with European research, mostly in Croatia. My father's mother was from there, and still can't find the exact town in which she was born. At least you have an actual city to pin your search down to. Looking at the familysearch page, there doesn't seem to be that much of a dificulty for records in your area of research
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https://familysearch.org/search/catalog/results#count=20&query=%2Bplace%3A%22Germany,%20Hessen,%20Darmstadt%22&subjectsOpen=427635-50

Particularily this online directory which you may find useful.
https://familysearch.org/search/collection/1423571
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Joe, thanks for the input. Have you done any genealogical digging into your Dad's ancestors? Or is that the earliest ancestor that you have information on?

I can't say that I'm taking on Jarman's work, Joe. He was far more into the work than I am. Of course, I'm doing a dual track with 2 different tests, so perhaps there may be more info coming in than just the one test.

Joe, which test kit in the Robins project tested at L584? And how can you tell?

Bronco480,
Nothing on my Dad's paternal side genealogy.  As you may have figured out, 1930s Germany has some real challenges.  I have been known to have a beer with my Oma's side in Darmstadt and have a good history for her side of the family.  So not all is lost.

Several of your project members belong to the R1b1a2 (P312- U106-) DNA Project (aka ht35 Project) and I just looked at the snp page.  (37486 is L584-)  The ISOGG phylogenetic tree will hopefully be updated with some new snps soon.  L23/L150 or whatever we end up calling it needs more data points to figure this out, so thanks for the testing.  


I've had difficulties with European research, mostly in Croatia. My father's mother was from there, and still can't find the exact town in which she was born. At least you have an actual city to pin your search down to. Looking at the familysearch page, there doesn't seem to be that much of a dificulty for records in your area of research
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https://familysearch.org/search/catalog/results#count=20&query=%2Bplace%3A%22Germany,%20Hessen,%20Darmstadt%22&subjectsOpen=427635-50

Particularily this online directory which you may find useful.
https://familysearch.org/search/collection/1423571

Bronco480,
Thank you for those very useful links.  Another great site is the Online Ortsfamilienbücher or Online heritage books http://www.online-ofb.de/ which covers much of the former german language areas. Regarding Croatia, all I hear is its great.  So maybe you just have to go there for reseach.
Not many L23/L150 folks are showing up in Germany, so far.
Joe
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« Reply #147 on: May 21, 2013, 09:44:08 PM »

~ Albanian Italian Arbanesh / Arbereshet. Your ancestors, I believe?

 
I am not of Arbereshe origin, because I was born in Tuscany and my paternal line is Tuscan at least from the beginning of the 14th century ...

Sorry, Maliclavelli , I misunderstood.
Tuscany! Wow! I place I hope to visit one day :)

PS. I do recall you saying about a different, but related, line, now :)
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« Reply #148 on: May 25, 2013, 06:45:39 AM »

Hi Maliclavelli :)

Thank you, again. :)

So it is basically just 'Albanian', which must mean that some stayed 'home' and some migrated, I suppose.

~ Albanians - still 'at home'.

~ Albanian / Greek Arvanites. My ancestors.

~ Albanian Italian Arbanesh / Arbereshet. Your ancestors, I believe?


Does anyone yet know ~ did more leave or stay?

And with the descendents of those who stayed, is this still a highly representative cluster for native Albanians?

Fascinating stuff!

Yes it is. More among Albanian in kosovo.

Hi Luan :)

Kosovo?

That was what I read some time ago. But has it been proven?

I'd be interested to know what research has been done on this. The name for my 'Albanian cluster' ancestors is 'Svombo' ~ which is Slavic ~ so an 'overlap' place like Kosovo could possibly explain this.

I need to know more about this particular area of research, I think. :)
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« Reply #149 on: May 25, 2013, 07:11:37 PM »


....You are the only R-M269* who are also L150+. Interesting to understand if you are a Jew or is the Jew who came from the Balkans.


Well,

One of my Jewish cousins recently received Geno 2.0 results. He is R-M269* and L150+ and has three new SNP mutations - PF7558, PF7562, PF7563. Are there any other Geno 2.0 results with any of these, as they may be a clue for clearing up confusion for L23- and L150+ people. Geno 2.0 marked PF7558 as his terminal SNP, so these three may or may not be phylogenetically equivalent. FTDNA does not yet offer them as advanced tests.


I have 37 marker results back now and you can see them in the ht35 project. He is most closely matched to an Ashkenazi, Pesach Arcus b.1822 Minsk/Belarus (kit 101029), a 36/37 match.

The only two people that are ungrouped in the ht35 project are now my cousin (kit N114224) and Gashi.

I found two other FTDNA kits with PF7558, PF7562, and PF7563 Geno 2.0 results with very different haplotypes than my cousin (both listed as L150+ and with DYS426=11):

N92413    R1b1a2a1 12, 25, 14, 11, 10-15, 11, 12, 12, 14, 13, 30   

N57861    R1b1a2a1 12, 25, 14, 11, 11-15, 11, 12, 12, 14, 13, 30

N114224  R1b1a2a1 12, 24, 14, 10, 11-13, 11, 12, 12, 13, 14, 29
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Y-DNA: R-L21 (Z251+ L583+)

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