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Maliclavelli
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« on: July 15, 2012, 08:54:12 AM »

I have spoken elsewhere of two clades of R1a-M420: the first (see Pickering, diffused in the Isles) and the second (see Celello, Italy, and some Eastern Europeans). A research in YHRD with the Celello’s values (15,13-31,26,10.13.13.12-12) has no match, but the closest are these:


1 15 13 31 25 10 13 13 12,12 11 12 16 -1 -1 -1 -1 -1 >>
1 15 13 31 25 10 13 13 12,12 11 12 16 20 15 17 24 12 >>
1 of 55 Krasnodar, Russian Federation [Russian] Eurasian - European - Eastern European Europe
1 of 36 Rjasan, Russian Federation [Russian] Eurasian - European - Eastern European Europe

15 13 31 24 10 13 13 12,12 2 >>
15 13 31 25 11 13 13 12,12 2 >>
15 13 31 25 10 14 13 12,12 2 >>

1 15 13 31 24 10 13 13 12,12 11 13 14 16 16 15 21 11 >>
1 15 13 31 24 10 13 13 12,12 11 13 14 16 17 15 21 11 >>
1 of 40 Miyagi, Japan [Japanese] East Asian - Japanese Asia
1 of 73 Gunma, Japan [Japanese] East Asian - Japanese Asia

1 15 13 31 25 11 13 13 12,12 11 12 -1 -1 -1 -1 -1 -1 >>
1 15 13 31 25 11 13 13 12,12 11 12 16 -1 -1 -1 -1 12 >>
1 of 52 Baranavičy, Belarus [Belarusian] Eurasian - European - Eastern European Europe
1 of 152 Madrid, Spain [Spanish] Eurasian - European - Western European Europe

2 15 13 31 25 10 14 13 12,12 -1 -1 -1 -1 -1 -1 -1 -1 >>
2 of 60 Trobriand Islands, Papua New Guinea [Trobriands] East Asian - Austronesian Oceania / Australia

It is clear that the Asian people don’t belong to this haplogroup, not having DYS437=16 but 14.
Then this haplogroup is present only in Europe, from Russia to Iberia.

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« Reply #1 on: July 15, 2012, 09:20:55 AM »

Easier is the research on the Pickering clade:

2 14 13 29 24 10 13 13 12,12 -1 -1 -1 -1 -1 -1 -1 -1 >>
1 14 13 29 24 10 13 13 12,12 11 12 -1 -1 -1 -1 -1 -1 >>
1 14 13 29 24 10 13 13 12,12 11 12 15 19 14 16 23 12 >>
1 14 13 29 24 10 13 13 12,12 11 13 14 20 15 19 26 13 >>    
1 14 13 29 24 10 13 13 12,12 12 10,12 -1 -1 -1 -1 -1 -1 >>
1 14 13 29 24 10 13 13 12,12 12 10 15 -1 -1 -1 -1 -1 >>
1 14 13 29 24 10 13 13 12,12 12 13 15 19 15 17 23 12 >>
1 of 766 Australia [Aboriginal] Australian Aboriginal Oceania / Australia
1 of 74 Chubut, Argentina [Mapuche] Native American Latin America
1 of 792 Central Portugal, Portugal [Portuguese] Eurasian - European - Western European Europe
1 of 1122 Stuttgart, Germany [German] Eurasian - European - Western European Europe
1 of 54 Uppsala, Sweden [Swedish] Eurasian - European - Western European Europe
1 of 565 Northern Portugal, Portugal [Portuguese] Eurasian - European - Western European Europe 1 of 811 Leipzig, Germany [German] Eurasian - European - Western European Europe
1 of 117 Illinois, United States [European American] Eurasian - European North America

Among these haplotypes the only certain R-M420 is this

1 14 13 29 24 10 13 13 12,12 11 13 14 20 15 19 26 13 >>    
1 of 766 Australia [Aboriginal] Australian Aboriginal Oceania / Australia

It isn’t difficult to hypothesize that this aboriginal descends from a British man.
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« Reply #2 on: February 24, 2013, 04:15:10 AM »

Interesting R1a-M420 continue to appear in Europe. This is a Greek.

202108       Unknown Origin   R1a    
13   23   15   11   12-12   12   12   12   13   13   30   
16   9-9   11   12   26   15   19   29   12-12-16-17   
10   11   23-23   15   16   18   17   36-38   12   11               

202108       R1a    R-M420   M173+, M198-, M343-, M417-, M420+, M434-, SRY10831.2-


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« Reply #3 on: February 24, 2013, 12:36:39 PM »

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2 15 13 31 25 10 14 13 12,12 -1 -1 -1 -1 -1 -1 -1 -1 >>
2 of 60 Trobriand Islands, Papua New Guinea [Trobriands] East Asian - Austronesian Oceania / Australia
I wonder which haplogroup Bronisław Malinowski might have belonged to?

[Malinowski, B.; H. Ellis (1929). The Sexual Life of Savages in North-Western Melanesia. An Ethnographic Account of Courtship, Marriage, and Family Life Among the Natives of the Trobriand Islands, British New Guinea.
and
Malinowski, B. (1927). Sex and Repression in Savage Society.]

He was effectively marooned there for years as a (rather privileged) P.o.W. or internee, with no immediate prospect of escape, if ever.
"It was during this period that he conducted his fieldwork on the Kula ring and advanced the practice of participant observation, which remains the hallmark of ethnographic research today" ...
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« Reply #4 on: February 24, 2013, 01:26:23 PM »

I wonder which haplogroup Bronisław Malinowski might have belonged to?

[Malinowski, B.; H. Ellis (1929). The Sexual Life of Savages in North-Western Melanesia. An Ethnographic Account of Courtship, Marriage, and Family Life Among the Natives of the Trobriand Islands, British New Guinea.
and
Malinowski, B. (1927). Sex and Repression in Savage Society.]

He was effectively marooned there for years as a (rather privileged) P.o.W. or internee, with no immediate prospect of escape, if ever.
"It was during this period that he conducted his fieldwork on the Kula ring and advanced the practice of participant observation, which remains the hallmark of ethnographic research today" ...

Ahahahaa! The book of Malinowsky was one of my preferred readings during my youth, and of course I dreamed the Trobriand islands and their women.
He was a Pole, then probably a R1a1a etc., but very unlikely a R1a-M420*. Unfortunately we haven’t other markers values, and it is difficult to understand the haplogroup from these only few.
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