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« on: January 25, 2013, 09:23:19 PM »

I guess all or most of you know by now that FTDNA has discontinued the Deep Clade test in favor of the Geno 2.0 thing and a la carte SNP testing. Because of the large number of primers they have to have on hand, they have also raised the price of testing a single SNP from $29 to $39. I understand why they had to do it, but it's still too bad. That will make SNP hunting that much harder.
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« Reply #1 on: January 25, 2013, 09:41:17 PM »

$29 TO $39...Thats higher than the rate of inflation. :(
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« Reply #2 on: January 26, 2013, 01:00:37 AM »

Over 34% is a pretty steep increase.

Well maybe some enterprising labrat in China will open a testing facility, but given QC status in .CN you'll probably come back as M122
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« Reply #3 on: January 26, 2013, 12:09:57 PM »

I think it's a shame that when all other prices seem to be coming down the cost of testing Y-SNP testing is spiralling.

One small cancellation is it looks like FTDNA may have dropped the $10 transfer fee, leastways I couldn't see it mentioned when I was trying to work out why SNP tests had suddenly shot up, then I recieved the 'good news' email : )_
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« Reply #4 on: January 27, 2013, 12:14:57 AM »

I think they dropped the transfer fee a while ago,  as most if not all tests are done in
Houston these days,  and not at the Uni of Arizona.

39USD is a bit rich,  when you have already done the deep clade and are just testing for these newer SNPs.  
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« Reply #5 on: January 27, 2013, 07:11:57 AM »

$29 TO $39...Thats higher than the rate of inflation. :(

$10.00 is pretty inexplicable given that they just had these big end of the year sales. I guess its the last ditch effort because the business is declining. With this economy and a bleak outlook for any recovery soon, this is not a time to be raising prices. Also, it's not a good time to be testing anyway, consumers are better off going to a psychic and having their palms read to find their deep ancestry.

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« Reply #6 on: January 27, 2013, 08:37:16 AM »

If a ten dollar increase in price is what's needed to keep the SNP a la carte business open, I welcome it. Keep in mind that FTDNA has stated several times that they do not make money on separate SNPs. They do it for two things, being able to offer us (the customers) that service, and to help the haplotree evolve. In the end, it is to their benefit that "the leaves connect with the branches" but we are not there yet. Their reasons are fair in my opinion.

The alternative is that they shut it down and that would pretty much end the citizen scientist participation in deep ancestry genetics. We would have been stuck with Geno 2.0 (a great test, but already borderline outdated for our use) and tests like Scotland's DNA (which gives you terminal SNPs that no one knows anything about).

Don't get me wrong, I absolutely prefer paying $29 per test to paying $39 per test, but not being able to order the test at all is a much worse alternative.

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« Reply #7 on: January 27, 2013, 10:59:38 PM »


Don't get me wrong, I absolutely prefer paying $29 per test to paying $39 per test, but not being able to order the test at all is a much worse alternative.

-Kai

Ditto.
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« Reply #8 on: January 28, 2013, 09:05:05 AM »

If a ten dollar increase in price is what's needed to keep the SNP a la carte business open, I welcome it. Keep in mind that FTDNA has stated several times that they do not make money on separate SNPs. They do it for two things, being able to offer us (the customers) that service, and to help the haplotree evolve. In the end, it is to their benefit that "the leaves connect with the branches" but we are not there yet. Their reasons are fair in my opinion.

The alternative is that they shut it down and that would pretty much end the citizen scientist participation in deep ancestry genetics. We would have been stuck with Geno 2.0 (a great test, but already borderline outdated for our use) and tests like Scotland's DNA (which gives you terminal SNPs that no one knows anything about).

Don't get me wrong, I absolutely prefer paying $29 per test to paying $39 per test, but not being able to order the test at all is a much worse alternative.

-Kai

The option to pay more for something that doesn't really increase its value or worth is never a good one. For some, it might was well be a "no option" because that's a hefty increase. I see it as nascent price gouging because this stuff was supposed to get cheaper as time goes by, not increase. I'm glad that I'm done with DNA testing.

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« Reply #9 on: January 28, 2013, 10:06:22 AM »

If a ten dollar increase in price is what's needed to keep the SNP a la carte business open, I welcome it. Keep in mind that FTDNA has stated several times that they do not make money on separate SNPs. They do it for two things, being able to offer us (the customers) that service, and to help the haplotree evolve. In the end, it is to their benefit that "the leaves connect with the branches" but we are not there yet. Their reasons are fair in my opinion.

The alternative is that they shut it down and that would pretty much end the citizen scientist participation in deep ancestry genetics. We would have been stuck with Geno 2.0 (a great test, but already borderline outdated for our use) and tests like Scotland's DNA (which gives you terminal SNPs that no one knows anything about).

Don't get me wrong, I absolutely prefer paying $29 per test to paying $39 per test, but not being able to order the test at all is a much worse alternative.

-Kai

The option to pay more for something that doesn't really increase its value or worth is never a good one. For some, it might was well be a "no option" because that's a hefty increase. I see it as nascent price gouging because this stuff was supposed to get cheaper as time goes by, not increase. I'm glad that I'm done with DNA testing.

Arch

I disagree. The "increase in value" is that we are getting more options. They could say "We will only make primers for SNPs that are proven to be big and we'll keep the price at $29", or they could go the way they did go. They are making primers for SNPs that only a handful will order. It's not big business, the cost here is manual labour, not the DNA technology itself. The cost of making primers is the same for a SNP that one person orders as for a SNP that 1000 persons order.

-Kai
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« Reply #10 on: January 28, 2013, 02:48:26 PM »

I see it as nascent price gouging because this stuff was supposed to get cheaper as time goes by, not increase. I'm glad that I'm done with DNA testing.

I disagree. The "increase in value" is that we are getting more options. They could say "We will only make primers for SNPs that are proven to be big and we'll keep the price at $29", or they could go the way they did go. They are making primers for SNPs that only a handful will order. It's not big business, the cost here is manual labour, not the DNA technology itself. The cost of making primers is the same for a SNP that one person orders as for a SNP that 1000 persons order.

I agree with Kai; and further, Arch, if you are done with DNA testing, you're basically biting the hand that feeds somebody else.  Not your fight.
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« Reply #11 on: January 28, 2013, 03:54:28 PM »

I see it as nascent price gouging because this stuff was supposed to get cheaper as time goes by, not increase. I'm glad that I'm done with DNA testing.

I disagree. The "increase in value" is that we are getting more options. They could say "We will only make primers for SNPs that are proven to be big and we'll keep the price at $29", or they could go the way they did go. They are making primers for SNPs that only a handful will order. It's not big business, the cost here is manual labour, not the DNA technology itself. The cost of making primers is the same for a SNP that one person orders as for a SNP that 1000 persons order.

I agree with Kai; and further, ....

Agreed and just to throw a little fuel on the fire I've got this thought.

Perhaps the we should not look at it as the price has gone up but the US Dollar is declining in value. Compared with several years ago, if we were bartering, we are getting more a la carte SNPs per tank full of gas.

Now, of course we hope to see FTDNA improve on efficiencies and the like to cover that for us and keep absolute pricing flat. Packaging is also key to customer options and value. Hopefully, some day we'll have more packaging options than just the Geno 2.0 as we know see it. It would be great to have a Y DNA package (subclade revisited?) or have an R1b special.

This is the future, which is something for fixed income folks to think about.
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