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Maliclavelli
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« on: January 10, 2013, 01:36:02 PM »

28079   David R. Miller, 1834, Canada   Scotland   R1b1a2a1a1b4    13   25   14   10   11-14   12   12   13   13   13   30   18   9-10   11   11   25   15   19   29   15-15-16-17   11   12   19-23   16   15   17

43525   Charles LEWIS, born 1777, Richmond, VA, USA   United Kingdom   R1b1a2a1a1b4    13   25   15   11   11-14   12   12   13   13   13   30   18   9-10   11   11   25   15   19   29   15-15-17-17   11   11   23-23   15   15

188927   James Hammond b. 2 Mar 1808, London Eng.   England   R1b1a2a1a1b4    13   24   14   11   11-14   12   12   12   13   13   29   19   9-9   11   11   25   15   19   28   14-15-17-17   11   11   19-19   15   15
DYS462=12 DYS463=24

84034   Guillaume Hamon b: ca 1666, Mayenne, FR   France   R1b1a2a1a1b4    13   24   14   11   11-16   12   12   12   14   13   30   17   9-10   11   11   26   15   19   28   15-15-16-16   11   10   19-22   15   15   17

139021       Wales   R1b1a2a1a1b4    13   24   15   11   11-14   12   12   11   13   13   29   17   9-10   11   11   25   15   19   29   15-15-17-17   11   12   19-23   15   15   19   17   34-36   11
DYS462=12 DYS463=25

9875   Robert C. Daniel 1791 NC s/o Hiram Daniel   Unknown Origin   R1b1a2a1a1b4    13   25   15   11   11-14   12   12   13   13   13   30   18   9-10   11   11   25   15   19   29   14-15-17-17   11   11   23-23   15   15   19   18

164301   John Richard McKee b. 1783 county Down, Ireland   Ireland   R1b1a2a1a1b4    14   24   14   10   11-14   12   12   12   14   13   30   19   9-9   11   11   25   15   19   29   15-15-17-18   10   10   19-23   15   15   18

17642   James McLaren, b. ca. 1796, Co. Londonderry, Ire   Ireland   R1b1a2a1a1b4    13   24   14   11   11-13   12   12   11   13   13   29   18   9-10   11   11   25   14   19   31   15-15-16-18   11   11   20-23   15   15

E9807   Arie Kaptein, 1698 - 1770   Netherlands   R1b1a2a1a1b4    13   24   15   11   11-14   12   12   12   13   13   29   17   9-10   11   11   25   15   20   29   15-15-17-17   11   11   19-23   15   15

All Dg.L720+ (L21>DF13>DF21>L720)

56323   James McConnell, b 1800, Islay, Argyll, Scotland   Scotland   R1b1a2a1a1b4b    13   25   14   11   11-13   12   12   12   13   14   29   17   9-10   11   11   25   15   18   30   15-16-16-17   11   11   19-23   17

228829   bruin/bruen b1700   Ireland   R1b1a2a1a1b4    13   25   14   11   11-14   12   12   12   13   13   29   16   9-10   11   11   25   16   18   30   15-15-17-17   11   11   19-23   16   15

32119   William Rose b.1804 Ardclach, Nairn, Scotland   Scotland   R1b1a2a1a1b4    14   25   14   11   10-14   12   12   11   13   13   29   16   9-9   11   11   25   15   19   33   14-15-17-17   11   11   19-23   14   15   19

44985   John Martin b. 1810 Torrisdale, Argyll, SCO   Scotland   R1b1a2a1a1b4g    13   24   14   11   11-14   12   12   12   13   13   30   17   9-10   11   11   25   15   19   29   15-15-17-17   11   11   19-23   16   16

159378   James Anderson b unk d 1822   Unknown Origin   R1b1a2    13   24   14   11   11-15   12   12   12   13   13   29   16   9-10   11   11   25   15   19   30   14-15-16-17   12   10   19-23   15   15   18   17

118942   John Wilkinson, b. Abt 1755 and d. 1801   Ireland   R1b1a2a1a1b4    13   24   14   10   11-16   12   12   12   13   13   29   18   9-10   11   11   25   15   19   29   14-15-16-17   11   10   19-23   15   15

N47848   Rudolph Sidney Adams,b.c. 1785, d 1854, d Hannover   United Kingdom   R1b1a2a1a1b4f    13   24   14   10   11-14   12   12   11   14   13   30   18   9-10   11   11   24   15   19   30   15-15-17-17   11   11   19-23   17

Amongst the hundreds of people tested for 111 markers, only these have DYS462=12, and only one has DYS462=12 and DYS463=25. Of course they belong to different subclades, then the mutation happened independently each other. I’d wait to have your 111 results. After I’d see whether you have DYS462=12 and DYS463=25 and after I’d try to search who is close to you.
Probably you are DF13**, but also this subclade has of course some own SNP and I don’t know if it would spring up with Geno 2.0. But it is very likely that also DF13** is a paragroup with different SNPs. I have written about this on a thread on eng.molgen: probably your haplotype is diffused everywhere we find R-L21 because is the most ancient and only some recent places have their own mutation. Then the link with Iberia or Germany could be due only to the ancient origin and not to a recent link. Anyway I wouldn’t spend other money. The upgrade to 111 seems to me enough. Meanwhile you could collect all the DF13**, but probably someone has already done it.

Regards, Gioiello
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Maliclavelli


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« Reply #1 on: January 10, 2013, 03:38:49 PM »

Thanks Maliclavelli,

I tested 46 markers (actually I think it is only 43 total) with Ancestry a few years ago and I am 462=12, and 463=25.
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