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28079 David R. Miller, 1834, Canada Scotland R1b1a2a1a1b4 13 25 14 10 11-14 12 12 13 13 13 30 18 9-10 11 11 25 15 19 29 15-15-16-17 11 12 19-23 16 15 17
43525 Charles LEWIS, born 1777, Richmond, VA, USA United Kingdom R1b1a2a1a1b4 13 25 15 11 11-14 12 12 13 13 13 30 18 9-10 11 11 25 15 19 29 15-15-17-17 11 11 23-23 15 15
188927 James Hammond b. 2 Mar 1808, London Eng. England R1b1a2a1a1b4 13 24 14 11 11-14 12 12 12 13 13 29 19 9-9 11 11 25 15 19 28 14-15-17-17 11 11 19-19 15 15
DYS462=12 DYS463=24
84034 Guillaume Hamon b: ca 1666, Mayenne, FR France R1b1a2a1a1b4 13 24 14 11 11-16 12 12 12 14 13 30 17 9-10 11 11 26 15 19 28 15-15-16-16 11 10 19-22 15 15 17
139021 Wales R1b1a2a1a1b4 13 24 15 11 11-14 12 12 11 13 13 29 17 9-10 11 11 25 15 19 29 15-15-17-17 11 12 19-23 15 15 19 17 34-36 11
DYS462=12 DYS463=25
9875 Robert C. Daniel 1791 NC s/o Hiram Daniel Unknown Origin R1b1a2a1a1b4 13 25 15 11 11-14 12 12 13 13 13 30 18 9-10 11 11 25 15 19 29 14-15-17-17 11 11 23-23 15 15 19 18
164301 John Richard McKee b. 1783 county Down, Ireland Ireland R1b1a2a1a1b4 14 24 14 10 11-14 12 12 12 14 13 30 19 9-9 11 11 25 15 19 29 15-15-17-18 10 10 19-23 15 15 18
17642 James McLaren, b. ca. 1796, Co. Londonderry, Ire Ireland R1b1a2a1a1b4 13 24 14 11 11-13 12 12 11 13 13 29 18 9-10 11 11 25 14 19 31 15-15-16-18 11 11 20-23 15 15
E9807 Arie Kaptein, 1698 - 1770 Netherlands R1b1a2a1a1b4 13 24 15 11 11-14 12 12 12 13 13 29 17 9-10 11 11 25 15 20 29 15-15-17-17 11 11 19-23 15 15
All Dg.L720+ (L21>DF13>DF21>L720)
56323 James McConnell, b 1800, Islay, Argyll, Scotland Scotland R1b1a2a1a1b4b 13 25 14 11 11-13 12 12 12 13 14 29 17 9-10 11 11 25 15 18 30 15-16-16-17 11 11 19-23 17
228829 bruin/bruen b1700 Ireland R1b1a2a1a1b4 13 25 14 11 11-14 12 12 12 13 13 29 16 9-10 11 11 25 16 18 30 15-15-17-17 11 11 19-23 16 15
32119 William Rose b.1804 Ardclach, Nairn, Scotland Scotland R1b1a2a1a1b4 14 25 14 11 10-14 12 12 11 13 13 29 16 9-9 11 11 25 15 19 33 14-15-17-17 11 11 19-23 14 15 19
44985 John Martin b. 1810 Torrisdale, Argyll, SCO Scotland R1b1a2a1a1b4g 13 24 14 11 11-14 12 12 12 13 13 30 17 9-10 11 11 25 15 19 29 15-15-17-17 11 11 19-23 16 16
159378 James Anderson b unk d 1822 Unknown Origin R1b1a2 13 24 14 11 11-15 12 12 12 13 13 29 16 9-10 11 11 25 15 19 30 14-15-16-17 12 10 19-23 15 15 18 17
118942 John Wilkinson, b. Abt 1755 and d. 1801 Ireland R1b1a2a1a1b4 13 24 14 10 11-16 12 12 12 13 13 29 18 9-10 11 11 25 15 19 29 14-15-16-17 11 10 19-23 15 15
N47848 Rudolph Sidney Adams,b.c. 1785, d 1854, d Hannover United Kingdom R1b1a2a1a1b4f 13 24 14 10 11-14 12 12 11 14 13 30 18 9-10 11 11 24 15 19 30 15-15-17-17 11 11 19-23 17
Amongst the hundreds of people tested for 111 markers, only these have DYS462=12, and only one has DYS462=12 and DYS463=25. Of course they belong to different subclades, then the mutation happened independently each other. I’d wait to have your 111 results. After I’d see whether you have DYS462=12 and DYS463=25 and after I’d try to search who is close to you.
Probably you are DF13**, but also this subclade has of course some own SNP and I don’t know if it would spring up with Geno 2.0. But it is very likely that also DF13** is a paragroup with different SNPs. I have written about this on a thread on eng.molgen: probably your haplotype is diffused everywhere we find R-L21 because is the most ancient and only some recent places have their own mutation. Then the link with Iberia or Germany could be due only to the ancient origin and not to a recent link. Anyway I wouldn’t spend other money. The upgrade to 111 seems to me enough. Meanwhile you could collect all the DF13**, but probably someone has already done it.
Regards, Gioiello
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