R1ba2a1a1a4

[gunslingingardener]

I found a Gardner family that has R1ba2a1a4 DNA.

My Y - Chromosome is U152 L2+, orginially R1b1b2a1a2d3.

They have different and confusing lettering.

Is this the same?

[df.reynolds]

I found a Gardner family that has R1ba2a1a4 DNA.

My Y - Chromosome is U152 L2+, orginially R1b1b2a1a2d3.

They have different and confusing lettering.

Is this the same?

Assuming that you meant "R1b1a2a1a4" and the source was FTDNA based, then this is R-L48, very, very different than your R-L2.

See the ISOGG Hg R page for the comparative locations of L48 and L2.
http://www.isogg.org/tree/ISOGG_HapgrpR.html

--david

[Curtis Pigman(Pigmon)]

I think this the new ISOGG assignment that David is referring to:

 R1b1a2a1a1b2a   L2/S139

[Curtis Pigman(Pigmon)]

I think this the new ISOGG assignment that David is referring to:

 R1b1a2a1a1b2a   L2/S139

I just checked my account on Genebase. My designation on Genebase used to be  R1b1b2a1a2d3(L2+)  and here is what they are calling us now:

R1b1a2a1a1b3c (L2+)

which is what it used to be on FTDNA!

[Mikewww]

I think this the new ISOGG assignment that David is referring to:

 R1b1a2a1a1b2a   L2/S139

I just checked my account on Genebase. My designation on Genebase used to be  R1b1b2a1a2d3(L2+)  and here is what they are calling us now:

R1b1a2a1a1b3c (L2+)

which is what it used to be on FTDNA!

As far as general conversation goes, we should probably forget about these long haplogroup labels. They are doomed to always be, behind. Probably the key thing is the known terminal SNP, L2+ in this case, and any downstream testing.