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« on: October 13, 2012, 04:27:58 PM »

Here are a few more of the great explorers - asterisk people.

These DF13+ folks are negative for all of the Big Six AND the other subclades so they are DF13+ L513- DF21- DF49- Z253- Z255- DF41- L144- L371- L555- L96-.  
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They are sorted by region.

f193834   Yurzditsky   R1b-L21>DF13**   13*-1111E   Belarus, Igumen
f64047   Lurz   R1b-L21>DF13**   13*-526   Romania, Transylvania, Draas (German community)
fE13942   Robert(Lefèvre)   R1b-L21>DF13**   13*- unnassigned   France, Basse-Normandie, Calvados, Merville-Franceville-Plage
f198135   Brunet   R1b-L21>DF13**   13*- unnassigned   France, Haute-Normandie, Seine-Maritime, Dieppe
f65932   Wigand   R1b-L21>DF13**   13*- unnassigned   Germany, Bavaria, Franconia, Würzburg
f107327   Iles   R1b-L21>DF13**   13-1030-Sc-2415   England, East Midlands, Nottinghamshire, Sturton-Le-Steeple
f170191   Bond   R1b-L21>DF13**   13*-45510   England, South West, Devonshire, Hartland
f187172   Lewis   R1b-L21>DF13**   13*- unnassigned   England, South West, Wiltshire
f173877   Collins   R1b-L21>DF13**   13*- unnassigned   England
f173880   Norris   R1b-L21>DF13**   13*- unnassigned   England
f30949   Raburn   R1b-L21>DF13**   13*- unnassigned   England
f129603   Watson   R1b-L21>DF13**   13*- unnassigned   England
f24273   zzzUnknown   R1b-L21>DF13**   13*-711   England
f115485   Mahoney   R1b-L21>DF13**   13-1511A-T2*   Ireland, Munster, Co. Kerry, Killarney, Poulagour
fN8772   Porter   R1b-L21>DF13**   13*-9919-B   Ireland, Ulster
f196841   Nolan   R1b-L21>DF13**   13*- unnassigned   Ireland
fN12172   O'Connor   R1b-L21>DF13**   13*- unnassigned   Ireland
f227117   McNeiladge   R1b-L21>DF13**   13*- unnassigned   Scotland, Lanarkshire, Barony, Anderston
f19706   Price   R1b-L21>DF13**   13*-1810-W2   Wales
f99054   Hogg   R1b-L21>DF13**   13*- unnassigned   UK
f210257   Matrois(Nakskov)   R1b-L21>DF13**   13-1511A-T2*   Denmark, Region Sjælland, Lolland, Nakskov
f9875   Daniel   R1b-L21>DF13**   13*-2323   zzzUnkOrigin
f26082   Dowell   R1b-L21>DF13**   13*-1026   zzzUnkOrigin
f26059   Durall   R1b-L21>DF13**   13*-101922   zzzUnkOrigin
f109174   Harrington   R1b-L21>DF13**   13*- unnassigned   zzzUnkOrigin
f191494   Mann   R1b-L21>DF13**   13*- unnassigned   zzzUnkOrigin
f185703   Pruett   R1b-L21>DF13**   13*- unnassigned   zzzUnkOrigin
fN55408   Smith   R1b-L21>DF13**   13*-1114   zzzUnkOrigin
f148326   zzzUnk(Ross)   R1b-L21>DF13**   13*-1130-A1-A   zzzUnkOrigin

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« Reply #1 on: October 13, 2012, 07:32:18 PM »

Here are a few more of the great explorers - asterisk people.


Outstanding!!! and 20 guys with 111 markers as well.

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Pos: Z245 L459 L21 DF13**
Neg: DF23 L513 L96 L144 Z255 Z253 DF21 DF41 (Z254 P66 P314.2 M37 M222  L563 L526 L226 L195 L193 L192.1 L159.2 L130 DF63 DF5 DF49)
WTYNeg: L555 L371 (L9/L10 L370 L302/L319.1 L554 L564 L577 P69 L626 L627 L643 L679)
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« Reply #2 on: October 13, 2012, 08:10:07 PM »

Outstanding!!! and 20 guys with 111 markers as well.
We now have 1133 people that are L21 confirmed or suspected at 111 markers.
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« Reply #3 on: October 13, 2012, 09:15:14 PM »


We now have 1133 people that are L21 confirmed or suspected at 111 markers.

With 832 L21 or newer SNPs tested. And 573 below L21.

Cant wait until the new wave of Gen2.0 results adds many many Hts  at L21  and its subclades.

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Pos: Z245 L459 L21 DF13**
Neg: DF23 L513 L96 L144 Z255 Z253 DF21 DF41 (Z254 P66 P314.2 M37 M222  L563 L526 L226 L195 L193 L192.1 L159.2 L130 DF63 DF5 DF49)
WTYNeg: L555 L371 (L9/L10 L370 L302/L319.1 L554 L564 L577 P69 L626 L627 L643 L679)
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« Reply #4 on: October 14, 2012, 08:33:43 AM »

Again I am impressed by the fact about a third of the people with located origins are continental despite the enormous bias towards the isles in numbers tested.   As with L21XDF13 I think that is the real story here.  It seems to me per head tested that L21XDF13 and DF13** is far more common per head tested on the continent than in the isles.  I also find it interesting that on the continent DF13** is more eastern in centre of gravity than L21xDF13 which kind of feels French.  That could represent echos of the original expansion of L21XDF13 to DF13** to etc.  L21XDF13 seems (given the huge sample) incredibly rare in the Celtic fringe of the isles while DF13** seems to represent the stage when the L21 entered the pre-Roman population of the isles first.  I would tend to interpret this as L21XDF13 expanding first in France with the DF13 mutation happening somewhere in France but expanding both east into Germany and north into the isles pre-Germanic population.  As for subclades of DF13 I dont think we have the data to be certain about whether they were born in the isles or the continent.   A lot of them seem more likely to be the isles but I wouldnt rule out one or two being continental in origin.
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« Reply #5 on: October 14, 2012, 10:24:51 AM »

I am a person on the list above, that is , tested at 111markers and DF13 positive (big six negative). My Geno2 test is complete and I am putting it in the mail tomorrow.
I wonder if results will be categorized or added on to the existing spreadsheets at the yahoo L21 groups? I guess my question is do the yahoo L21 groups have a plan of what
will be done with Geno 2 reports?

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« Reply #6 on: October 14, 2012, 11:36:26 AM »

I am a person on the list above, that is , tested at 111markers and DF13 positive (big six negative). My Geno2 test is complete and I am putting it in the mail tomorrow.
I wonder if results will be categorized or added on to the existing spreadsheets at the yahoo L21 groups? I guess my question is do the yahoo L21 groups have a plan of what
will be done with Geno 2 reports?

Brunetmj, I keep a list of all the L21 confirmed and suspected (if they are 67 STRs) haplotypes I can. What generally happens is Alex W, Mark J, Steve C, Robert C and others take that data and create various analyses and charts/diagrams with it. That's as intended. We want more people looking at the data and trying to sort it out.

If you are in the L21 plus project I will get your updates as I check that frequently.

David Reynolds is doing some great work for us by tracking Geno 2.0 results. He will incorporate those into his table. Below is a post from the Yahoo group.
Quote from: David Reynolds
The Geno 2.0/WTY Summary Table  was updated to include the additional folks who have indicated they have a Geno 2.0 test pending. 36 L21+ people so far.

No one from the "Little Four" (L96, L144, L371, L555) have indicated they are testing yet. Of the "Big Six," there is pretty good representation, except for DF41, where there are no pending results listed at this time. There is even one DF63 kit on the list!

If you are L21+, have ordered Geno 2.0, and want to share your Y-SNP results with the user community when they are available, please send your kit number to me at geno@daver.info (geno (at) daver.info) and I will add you to the summary table.

Almost all of the SNP results in my spreadsheet are from the Y DNA SNP report screens on FTDNA public projects. I also use David's table to manually insert SNPs into my spreadsheet so if he is tracking it, I'll get it into the spreadsheet.
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« Reply #7 on: October 14, 2012, 12:27:51 PM »

(I am kit N12172 above)

I have a 33/37 with a Bond who is listed as Private. I am supposing that the Bond listed above is perhaps the same person.

I also have 33/37 match with 2 perons names Bartlett
 (which I'm sure are an interesting Pear ;)

Aside from a known cousin my closest match 36/37 is with a Murphy(37).
(no matches above the 37 level)

I see a likeness to the Murphy's listed as "Haplotype C" in the Murphy Project. I suppose that this group could also be DF13**
http://www.familytreedna.com/public/MURPHY%20DNA-All%20Spellings/default.aspx?section=yresults

I am awaiting the results for str's 86-102 to complete my 111 sequence.

My 36/37 second cousin(kit 72254) has a few 33/37 matches that don't show up in my matches.
(None appear to have snp testing.)
Rankin (Private)
Kilgore (67)
Harper  (WAMH) (37)
McCorkle  (WAMH) (67)
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« Reply #8 on: October 25, 2012, 08:26:07 AM »

My 111 str sequence is now complete.

Hopefully some new snp's downstream of DF13 will be found before long.


I just checked my 111 matches and there are none.
I do have 3 matches 58/67 ....I Murphy and 2 Stewart.

I have 16 matches 57/67 (which include 4 more Murphy)

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M42+, M45+, M526+, M74+, M89+, M9+, M94+, P108+, P128+, P131+, P132+, P133+, P134+, P135+, P136+, P138+, P139+, P14+, P140+, P141+, P143+, P145+, P146+, P148+, P149+, P151+, P157+, P158+, P159+, P160+, P161+, P163+, P166+, P187+, P207+, P224+, P226+, P228+, P229+, P230+, P231+, P232+, P233+, P234+, P235+, P236+, P237+, P238+, P239+, P242+, P243+, P244+, P245+, P280+, P281+, P282+, P283+, P284+, P285+, P286+, P294+, P295+, P297+, P305+, P310+, P311+, P312+, P316+, M173+, M269+, M343+, P312+, L21+, DF13+, M207+, P25+, L11+, L138+, L141+, L15+, L150+, L16+, L23+, L51+, L52+, M168+, M173+, M207+, M213+, M269+, M294+, M299+, M306+, M343+, P69+, P9.1+, P97+, PK1+, SRY10831.1+, L21+, L226-, M37-, M222-, L96-, L193-, L144-, P66-, SRY2627-, M222-, DF49-, L371-, DF41-, L513-, L555-, L1335-, L1406-, Z251-, L526-, L130-, L144-, L159.2-, L192.1-, L193-, L195-, L96-, DF21-, Z255-, DF23-, DF1-, Z253-, M37-, M65-, M73-, M18-, M126-, M153-, M160-, P66-

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