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« Reply #75 on: November 11, 2011, 07:05:15 AM »

Whelan is L144+, Z254-, Z255-

Thank you, FJames. I was hoping for a positive result, but it is informative nevertheless. Do you know of any other L144+ folks who ordered Z254?
I'm not aware of any other L144 guys ordering Z254,  definately none in the Whelan project.
I see Kendall came in Z255-,  I dont know if he or Prosser have ordered Z254 aswell.

Have there been any Z254+ results today?





None that I'm aware of.

It was reported on DNA-Forums today that the 1000 Genome data for this loci was a bit flakey, I think that's the kind of information I may have liked to have heard before I ordered it !!

Unfortunately it appears Z251 suffers from the same problem so I may sit that one out a bit when it becomes available.
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« Reply #76 on: November 11, 2011, 08:23:25 AM »

Whelan is L144+, Z254-, Z255-

Thank you, FJames. I was hoping for a positive result, but it is informative nevertheless. Do you know of any other L144+ folks who ordered Z254?
I'm not aware of any other L144 guys ordering Z254,  definately none in the Whelan project.
I see Kendall came in Z255-,  I dont know if he or Prosser have ordered Z254 aswell.

Have there been any Z254+ results today?




Quite a few, but, unless I missed one, all of them were negative.
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« Reply #77 on: November 11, 2011, 10:52:43 AM »

Whelan is L144+, Z254-, Z255-

Thank you, FJames. I was hoping for a positive result, but it is informative nevertheless. Do you know of any other L144+ folks who ordered Z254?
I'm not aware of any other L144 guys ordering Z254,  definately none in the Whelan project.
I see Kendall came in Z255-,  I dont know if he or Prosser have ordered Z254 aswell.

Have there been any Z254+ results today?





None that I'm aware of.

It was reported on DNA-Forums today that the 1000 Genome data for this loci was a bit flakey, I think that's the kind of information I may have liked to have heard before I ordered it !!

Unfortunately it appears Z251 suffers from the same problem so I may sit that one out a bit when it becomes available.

Yeah, it seems that a lot of it is flaky.
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« Reply #78 on: November 11, 2011, 01:58:43 PM »

Quote from: NealtheRed link=topic=10091.msg125763#msg125763
Yeah, it seems that a lot of it is flaky.
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To be fair we've had a lot of successes from the analysis of the 1000 Genome project, this little section appears to have gone slightly haywire though. First we had the L144 hiccup and now this.

I thought I was boxing clever waiting for Z254 ,after having paid for both DF5 and DF21, but now it looks like I shall be ordering 255 after all, I do feel a bit cheesed off.

Oh I'm Z254 neg BTW :)
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« Reply #79 on: November 11, 2011, 04:53:20 PM »


To be fair we've had a lot of successes from the analysis of the 1000 Genome project, this little section appears to have gone slightly haywire though. First we had the L144 hiccup and now this.

I thought I was boxing clever waiting for Z254 ,after having paid for both DF5 and DF21, but now it looks like I shall be ordering 255 after all, I do feel a bit cheesed off.

Oh I'm Z254 neg BTW :)

Right. It seems to be the case now that Z255 people are Z254- too, so you are not alone, JDean!

It begs the question: How were those Z255+ samples in 1000 Genomes deemed to be Z254+? At this point, it has become so convoluted that I would rather not know.
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« Reply #80 on: November 11, 2011, 05:28:15 PM »


To be fair we've had a lot of successes from the analysis of the 1000 Genome project, this little section appears to have gone slightly haywire though. First we had the L144 hiccup and now this.

I thought I was boxing clever waiting for Z254 ,after having paid for both DF5 and DF21, but now it looks like I shall be ordering 255 after all, I do feel a bit cheesed off.

Oh I'm Z254 neg BTW :)

Right. It seems to be the case now that Z255 people are Z254- too, so you are not alone, JDean!

It begs the question: How were those Z255+ samples in 1000 Genomes deemed to be Z254+? At this point, it has become so convoluted that I would rather not know.
GregRM posted today on this. He said that Z254 is listed on the "speculative" chart in yellow, which meant it was a question mark.
Some of this is just not necessarily understanding the details of how GregRM and the anonymous researcher for the 1000 HG project data communicating.  I plead guilty on not reading the fine print. They were very careful to label everything speculative.
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« Reply #81 on: November 11, 2011, 10:33:40 PM »

Well,  a negative result tells us as much as a positve.
We can at least confirm/eliminate some of the specualtion from the 1000K project.
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« Reply #82 on: October 16, 2012, 11:53:41 AM »

R1b-L21>DF13>Z255  A Young Clade Isles origin.

111(94) Markers  Sheet Mutation Rate:  0.22894

STRs not used: 385,389i,459,464,CDY,YCAII,395S1 & 413

L21 ALL (111Markers) 
YrsPerGen*  Count
30   N=1048

Founder'sAge  Generations  StdDevInGen  YBP  +-YBP  Max  VAR   

SD
114.6   32.1  3,438.8  963.5  4,402.3  12.738  3.569


R1b-L21>DF13>Z255 ALL
YrsPerGen*  Count
30   N=38

Founder'sAge  Generations  StdDevInGen  YBP  +-YBP  Max  VAR   SD

46.0  14.2  1,379.7  425.2  1,805.0  10.529  3.245


            

TRUE MRCA  InterClade AB Founder      
Pooled SD Clades  A & B  Interclade

YrsPerGen*
30

Interclade GAB: L21* for L21 ALL (111Markers) & R1b-L21>DF13>Z255 ALL

Founder'sAge  Generations  StdDevInGen  YBP  +-YBP  PooledVar   

PooledSD
   
46.0  14.2  1,379.7  425.2  1,805.0  10.529  3.245


R1b-L21>DF13>Z255* Only  N=4
Founder'sAge  Generations  StdDevInGen  YBP  +-YBP  Max  VAR   SD
49.9   14.8   1,496.0   442.8   1,938.8  11.417  3.379


R1b-L21>DF13>Z255>L159 only   N=33
Founder'sAge  Generations  StdDevInGen  YBP  +-YBP  Max  VAR   SD

44.1  13.9     1,321.6  416.1  1,737.7  10.085  3.176



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Pos: Z245 L459 L21 DF13**
Neg: DF23 L513 L96 L144 Z255 Z253 DF21 DF41 (Z254 P66 P314.2 M37 M222  L563 L526 L226 L195 L193 L192.1 L159.2 L130 DF63 DF5 DF49)
WTYNeg: L555 L371 (L9/L10 L370 L302/L319.1 L554 L564 L577 P69 L626 L627 L643 L679)
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