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« on: August 19, 2012, 01:18:42 PM »

A distant relative of mine has received his FTDNA results but can't order the Deep Clade test just yet. Is there someone here that can take a look at the ysearch.org user T9XFT and inform me if the subclade can be predicted?
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« Reply #1 on: August 19, 2012, 01:35:57 PM »

Very difficult to say. Values in the modal. Being of Spanish origin, we could presuppose some of the most diffused haplogroups of Iberia, from R-P312 to its Spanish subclades. We could search for some values out of the modal, like DYS390=23, DYS448=18, H4=10 etc.
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« Reply #2 on: August 19, 2012, 01:42:40 PM »

Also with the interesting DYS389=14-31 we have 18 items in SMGF, above all familial nuclei, but also a Japanese one. But the link with the Isles, above all Scotland, could mean some ancient subclade of R-P312 arrived first there.
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« Reply #3 on: August 19, 2012, 01:50:15 PM »

Of course it could be also R-U106.
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« Reply #4 on: August 19, 2012, 01:56:13 PM »

GD of 2 from Jaime (4G9YS) who has DYS389=14-30, I'd say : R-U106: R1b1a1a1a1.
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« Reply #5 on: August 19, 2012, 02:03:45 PM »

But also this is possible:

 797HR   Carmack Unknown  R1b1a2a1a1b4f (tested)  Family Tree DNA  25 2
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« Reply #6 on: August 19, 2012, 03:13:53 PM »

GD of 2 from Jaime (4G9YS) who has DYS389=14-30, I'd say : R-U106: R1b1a1a1a1.
Jaime (4G9YS)  is from the same region. His known most distant ancestor was an illegitimate child. Because of the DNA match the biological surname for Jaime is Romo de Vivar. T9XFT put the wrong most distant known paternal ancestor, it is actually Diego Romo de Vivar born about 1550. VR78R is also Romo de Vivar but only tested 12 markers.

How did you figure Jaime (4G9YS) is R-U106: R1b1a1a1a1?
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« Reply #7 on: August 19, 2012, 03:20:27 PM »

How did you figure Jaime (4G9YS) is R-U106: R1b1a1a1a1?
For what ySearch says, Jaime has not been SNPs tested. There are some R-U106 but also others (for instance R-L21) close to these values, for this I think it is difficult to say which haplogroup it is without a SNP test.
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« Reply #8 on: August 19, 2012, 03:22:41 PM »

ok, thanks.
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« Reply #9 on: August 19, 2012, 03:32:59 PM »

I have spoken of Spanish origin, but Romo de Vivar could also be a noble family, then an origin from German people. Then also R-U106 and R-L21 could be possible.
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« Reply #10 on: August 19, 2012, 03:40:58 PM »

Certainly you know these news:
"1589 / Diego Romo de Vivar nace el 12 de marzo en Rielves Toledo, España.
Muere en Santa Maria del Río Florido, Chihuahua, México. Fue bautizado en la
parroquia de Rielves, España el 12 de marzo
1589; sus padres fueron Diego Romo y Catalina Pérez. Su esposa fue María
Rangel Peguero".
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