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Maliclavelli
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« on: July 29, 2012, 10:38:28 AM »

This asks Bernie Cullen on Rootsweb:

We had someone join the Y-DNA haplogroup I2a Project because he has several
11/12 and 10/12 matches in I2a2 (I-M423). But his full 37 markers do not
look like any kind of haplogroup I. You can see them at the bottom of our
results page in the Ungrouped section (you will need to click through to the
second page, or change the page size in the box at top):
http://www.familytreedna.com/public/I2aHapGroup/default.aspx?vgroup=I2aHapGr
245879 Vega   Unknown Origin –
13 24 15 11 14-15 11 13 12 12 11 30 17 8-8 11 11 23 14 17 31 11-12-16-16-16-16 10 11 20-23 15 11 18 19 31-33 15 11  
oup&section=ycolorized
Does anyone know what this is? He is from Argentina with a Spanish surname,
but I don't think it's certain that his paternal line is from Spain. His
Haplogroup Origins page lists several 11/12 matches in I2a and one 11/12 in
E2a from Egypt. I saw some haplogroup E projects but none of them seemed to
cover E2a, is there such a project?
Bernie

This answer Belinda Dettman:

He looks a reasonable bet to be some kind of I-M423 to me. Certainly the
Athey haplogroup predictor has him as I2a2 with 100% probability, but that
could be misleading as it doesn't seem to predict E2a at all. He's an
oddity, with some rare values for any haplogroup, but only a deep clade test
could distinguish which (or at least two SNP tests for the basic I2 and E
haplogroups).
Belinda

And this Lawrence Mayka:

He could even belong to C3. He has certain similarities to DSG9V.
I suggest you simply wait for his basic haplogroup test result to arrive.

And this says YHRD:

1 15 12 30 24 11 11 13 14,15 -1 -1 -1 -1 -1 -1 -1 -1 >>
1 15 12 30 24 11 11 13 14,15 10 12 -1 -1 -1 -1 -1 -1 >>
1 15 12 30 24 11 11 13 14,15 10 12 14 19 15 16 22 11 >>
1 15 12 30 24 11 11 13 14,15 10 12 15 19 15 17 23 11 >>
1 15 12 30 24 11 11 13 14,15 11 13 14 17 15 17 22 12 >>
1 of 163 Israel & Palestinian Authority Area [Arab] Afro-Asiatic - Semitic Asia
1 of 220 West Croatia, Croatia [Croatian] Eurasian - European - South-Eastern European Europe
1 of 220 South Croatia, Croatia [Croatian] Eurasian - European - South-Eastern European Europe
1 of 266 Kiev, Ukraine [Ukrainian] Eurasian - European - Eastern European Europe
1 of 653 Buenos Aires, Argentina [European] Eurasian - European Latin America

where this haplotype is the closest:
1 15 12 30 24 11 11 13 14,15 11 13 14 17 15 17 22 12 >>

But my research is over for to day.



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MtDNA: K1a1b1e

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« Reply #1 on: July 29, 2012, 11:59:40 AM »

1 of 163   Israel & Palestinian Authority Area [Arab]   Afro-Asiatic - Semitic   Asia

Fernandes AT., Gonçalves R., Gomes S., Filon D., Nebel A., Faerman M., Brehm A. (2010), 'Y-chromosomal STRs in two populations from Israel and the Palestinian Authority Area: Christian and Muslim Arabs', Forensic Science International: Genetics Epub ahead of print, in press

Unfortunately the paper isn’t for free, but it could be hg. K*.
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« Reply #2 on: July 29, 2012, 06:50:03 PM »

Haplotype  65    15 13 24 11 11 13  of

Almut Nebel · Dvora Filon · Deborah A. Weiss ·
Michael Weale · Marina Faerman · Ariella Oppenheim ·
Mark G. Thomas
High-resolution Y chromosome haplotypes
of Israeli and Palestinian Arabs reveal geographic substructure
and substantial overlap with haplotypes of Jews
Hum Genet (2000) 107 :630–641
DOI 10.1007/s004390000426
Received: 12 July 2000 / Accepted: 10 October 2000 / Published online: 21 November 2000
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« Reply #3 on: July 29, 2012, 07:26:06 PM »

It should be hg. E*, if not DE*. Certainly one of the most ancient subclades of E.
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