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« Reply #125 on: November 08, 2012, 01:51:42 PM »

My kit is now in Stage 3 (60% Complete - DNA Analysis). As per the graphic, this means...

"This process typically takes around six to ten days. The next stage in your analysis will be a quality control step, after which your results will be uploaded to the website for you to see."

So it looks like the results will likely be posted in about two weeks.
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« Reply #126 on: November 09, 2012, 08:20:19 AM »

Well, the process took a lot shorter than I expected - in the last 24 hours, my status has been changed to 80% Complete. My kit is now in the Quality Control stage. I suspect the kit may have been previously sequenced and the status updated only after Spencer Wells gave his presentation on Geno 2.0. Either way, I will report the results, and more importantly the format as soon as I get them.
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« Reply #127 on: November 09, 2012, 09:28:17 AM »

I suspect the kit may have been previously sequenced and the status updated only after Spencer Wells gave his presentation on Geno 2.0.

It isn’t said that who has the control of firms and tests does arrive before us. We may have understood (and written) what they are discovering long before them.
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« Reply #128 on: November 09, 2012, 09:56:51 AM »

What actions will Geno 2.0 customers need to take to transfer their results to FTDNA?
1) if they are an FTDNA customer already?
2) if they are not an FTDNA customer?

What will the results look like and where will they show up for Y DNA?  I presume the Haplotree but do we even know if they will use the standard lab discovery format for SNPs?

Will no calls be absent or will they be negatives (minus sign)?
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« Reply #129 on: November 09, 2012, 10:07:58 AM »

I suspect the kit may have been previously sequenced and the status updated only after Spencer Wells gave his presentation on Geno 2.0.

It isn’t said that who has the control of firms and tests does arrive before us. We may have understood (and written) what they are discovering long before them.

I suspect I am going to be one of the first to get results because:

1. I live in the USA.
2. I returned my sample via overnight priority mail the day I received the kit.

Hopefully the added expense works in my favor.
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« Reply #130 on: November 09, 2012, 10:19:56 AM »

What actions will Geno 2.0 customers need to take to transfer their results to FTDNA?
1) if they are an FTDNA customer already?
2) if they are not an FTDNA customer?

What will the results look like and where will they show up for Y DNA?  I presume the Haplotree but do we even know if they will use the standard lab discovery format for SNPs?

Will no calls be absent or will they be negatives (minus sign)?

These are all the mystery questions we waiting for. I suspect the raw data will be the most valuable part of the test, but I am most curious to see how the Geno 2.0 results will be mapped/reflected in FTDNA.
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« Reply #131 on: November 09, 2012, 10:27:11 AM »

What actions will Geno 2.0 customers need to take to transfer their results to FTDNA?
1) if they are an FTDNA customer already?
2) if they are not an FTDNA customer?

What will the results look like and where will they show up for Y DNA?  I presume the Haplotree but do we even know if they will use the standard lab discovery format for SNPs?

Will no calls be absent or will they be negatives (minus sign)?

These are all the mystery questions we waiting for. I suspect the raw data will be the most valuable part of the test, but I am most curious to see how the Geno 2.0 results will be mapped/reflected in FTDNA.

I hope that at least it will be easy one-button stuff for the consumer to get the data over to FTDNA where it could be seen in a project screen, regardless of the data format.  If we can see it and it is consistently formatted, we can deal with it.
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« Reply #132 on: November 09, 2012, 12:16:47 PM »

I just listened to a podcast from the Florence conference on Geno 2.0.
It is pretty general  stuff. No insights into new SNPs.
Two professors from Italy, one from Florence discussed the Neanderthal component.
The second from Bologne University, discussed more detailed understanding of Italian DNA. A representative of NG discussed the Genographic project.
I am not overly impressed with the level of data shared to date and hope that the first results will enlighten us more. The Genographic project will have a social media function. How effective it is in engaging with the testing community remains to be seen. Genographic appeared to go dormant following the initial Geno 1.0 testing in 2005 and most of the context was provided by the volunteer commmunity on FTDNA and elsewhere. I hope they remain engaged this time round and provide a roadmap for subsequant phylogenic tree and chip updates. I do remember reading on the genealogy blogs that a transfer to FTDNA will be facilitated at a later date.

Here's an audio link to an interview of some presenters (not Spencer Wells) in Geno 2.0 in Florence:

http://audioboo.fm/boos/1049857
 
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« Reply #133 on: November 09, 2012, 12:48:21 PM »

I have heard it too. Nothing new so far. The Florentine Professor is Davide Caramelli, who speaks English with a Florentine accent, but I have heard him translated in English, and was more understandable the translation than his voice. The Professor from Bologna is Davide Pettener, who announced to have investigated ancient Italian DNA. Hope that something new springs up.
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« Reply #134 on: November 09, 2012, 07:07:52 PM »

Well, the process took a lot shorter than I expected - in the last 24 hours, my status has been changed to 80% Complete. My kit is now in the Quality Control stage. I suspect the kit may have been previously sequenced and the status updated only after Spencer Wells gave his presentation on Geno 2.0. Either way, I will report the results, and more importantly the format as soon as I get them.
How long did it take for it to go from Stage 1 Sample Received to Stage 3 DNA Analysis? They reported receiving my sample Oct 30. Now 10 days later on Nov 9 it is at Stage 2 DNA ISOLATION.
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« Reply #135 on: November 09, 2012, 07:31:00 PM »

What actions will Geno 2.0 customers need to take to transfer their results to FTDNA?
1) if they are an FTDNA customer already?
2) if they are not an FTDNA customer?

What will the results look like and where will they show up for Y DNA?  I presume the Haplotree but do we even know if they will use the standard lab discovery format for SNPs?

Will no calls be absent or will they be negatives (minus sign)?

These are all the mystery questions we waiting for. I suspect the raw data will be the most valuable part of the test, but I am most curious to see how the Geno 2.0 results will be mapped/reflected in FTDNA.

I hope that at least it will be easy one-button stuff for the consumer to get the data over to FTDNA where it could be seen in a project screen, regardless of the data format.  If we can see it and it is consistently formatted, we can deal with it.


For those who got a complimentary Geno 2.0 to test the chip, does anybody know when FTDNA will upload those results to the Nat Geo database as implied in their email below (or else make the results available within FTDNA to the testee)?

"Because your sample was used to help test the Geno 2.0 chip, your data - autosomal, mtDNA and Y (in the case of men) will be uploaded to the new National Geographic website at www.genographic.com later this fall."
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« Reply #136 on: November 09, 2012, 08:26:03 PM »

Well, the process took a lot shorter than I expected - in the last 24 hours, my status has been changed to 80% Complete. My kit is now in the Quality Control stage. I suspect the kit may have been previously sequenced and the status updated only after Spencer Wells gave his presentation on Geno 2.0. Either way, I will report the results, and more importantly the format as soon as I get them.
How long did it take for it to go from Stage 1 Sample Received to Stage 3 DNA Analysis? They reported receiving my sample Oct 30. Now 10 days later on Nov 9 it is at Stage 2 DNA ISOLATION.

Stage 1: 10/16/2012
Stage 2: 11/07/2012
Stage 3: 11/08/2012
Stage 4: 11/09/2012
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« Reply #137 on: November 09, 2012, 10:33:01 PM »

Well, the process took a lot shorter than I expected - in the last 24 hours, my status has been changed to 80% Complete. My kit is now in the Quality Control stage. I suspect the kit may have been previously sequenced and the status updated only after Spencer Wells gave his presentation on Geno 2.0. Either way, I will report the results, and more importantly the format as soon as I get them.
How long did it take for it to go from Stage 1 Sample Received to Stage 3 DNA Analysis? They reported receiving my sample Oct 30. Now 10 days later on Nov 9 it is at Stage 2 DNA ISOLATION.

Stage 1: 10/16/2012
Stage 2: 11/07/2012
Stage 3: 11/08/2012
Stage 4: 11/09/2012

Thanks. It looks like mine should be Stage 4 soon then.
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« Reply #138 on: November 10, 2012, 05:27:45 AM »

Here are the 23andme  posters from the ASHG conference.

http://blog.23andme.com/23andme-research/23andmes-presentations-at-ashg/

The interesting one from an Ancestry point of view is Ancestry 2.0, "A scalable pipeline for local ancestry inference using thousands of reference individuals", which provides ancestry painting based on 20 reference populations, 13 of them European. It went on beta test yesterday based on a small test group.
The British Isles is one population component. I would like to see this broken down into Ireland, Scotland, England and Wales. Perhaps we have to wait for Ancestry 3.0.

http://blog.23andme.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/11/20121027_ancestry_painting_methods_poster.pdf

It will be interesting to see how it compares to Geno 2.0 approach to the same problem using AIMs.
No further information from Geno 2.0 from ASHG. Spencer Wells is scheduled to speak, via Skype, at the FTDNA conference today.

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« Reply #139 on: November 10, 2012, 02:45:06 PM »

News from the FTDNA conference, Spencer Wells presentation. (Via Twitter).
1) Between 10,000 and 100,000 Geno 2.0 kits sold since "soft" launch
2) 43 Reference Populations. Will be updated every couple of months.
3) Geno 2.0 focused on anthropology not genealogy.
4) 50K - 100K overlap with FF and 23andme tests.
5) 6000 new SNPs to be added over next few months??
6) 2010 YCC Tree has 862 branches, Geno 2.0 chip has 6162 branches
7) 130000 validated auto and X SNPs. Paper coming soon.
8) AIMS taken from 450 world populations. More dense in old world.
9) Harness the power of the community to figure out what this genetic info means
10) New grants for community projects.
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« Reply #140 on: November 10, 2012, 03:04:05 PM »

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« Reply #141 on: November 10, 2012, 03:14:39 PM »

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I understand the context was, significantly more than 10,000 and significantly less than 100,000.
This has probably more to do with commercial secrets rather than statistical precision.
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« Reply #142 on: November 10, 2012, 03:29:19 PM »

News from the FTDNA conference, Spencer Wells presentation. (Via Twitter).
1) Between 10,000 and 100,000 Geno 2.0 kits sold since "soft" launch...

That's precision for you! .. factor of x10.

Forgive me for my sarcasm, but keep in mind this is in reference to a public figure who holds himself out as an expert.

Mike,
I understand the context was, significantly more than 10,000 and significantly less than 100,000.
This has probably more to do with commercial secrets rather than statistical precision.

I knew it wasn't a statistical estimation but I just found it a bit elusive and vague. That's unfair because I don't know the whole context and exact quote.  Surely, they know, or at least could know fairly closely how many orders were made.

If they don't want to tell us, that's okay. They should just say we can't say. Perhaps he did comment within the context.  If not, I wish these guys would be a little more plain spoken and direct.
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« Reply #143 on: November 10, 2012, 04:43:21 PM »

My kit eventually shipped two days ago. Hopefully I'll receive it next week.
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« Reply #144 on: November 10, 2012, 05:28:34 PM »

It was clear at the Conference that the vague number was a business decision

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« Reply #145 on: November 10, 2012, 05:56:58 PM »

News from the FTDNA conference, Spencer Wells presentation. (Via Twitter).
1) Between 10,000 and 100,000 Geno 2.0 kits sold since "soft" launch
2) 43 Reference Populations. Will be updated every couple of months.
3) Geno 2.0 focused on anthropology not genealogy.
4) 50K - 100K overlap with FF and 23andme tests.
5) 6000 new SNPs to be added over next few months??
6) 2010 YCC Tree has 862 branches, Geno 2.0 chip has 6162 branches
7) 130000 validated auto and X SNPs. Paper coming soon.
8) AIMS taken from 450 world populations. More dense in old world.
9) Harness the power of the community to figure out what this genetic info means
10) New grants for community projects.


Thanks for the update.

If true, I wonder how/if the additional SNPs will be added/offered to the already tested kits, especially since they have stated in the past that they will not store DNA after the test is run.
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« Reply #146 on: November 10, 2012, 07:51:46 PM »

News from the FTDNA conference, Spencer Wells presentation. (Via Twitter).
1) Between 10,000 and 100,000 Geno 2.0 kits sold since "soft" launch
2) 43 Reference Populations. Will be updated every couple of months.
3) Geno 2.0 focused on anthropology not genealogy.
4) 50K - 100K overlap with FF and 23andme tests.
5) 6000 new SNPs to be added over next few months??
6) 2010 YCC Tree has 862 branches, Geno 2.0 chip has 6162 branches
7) 130000 validated auto and X SNPs. Paper coming soon.
8) AIMS taken from 450 world populations. More dense in old world.
9) Harness the power of the community to figure out what this genetic info means
10) New grants for community projects.


Thanks for the update.

If true, I wonder how/if the additional SNPs will be added/offered to the already tested kits, especially since they have stated in the past that they will not store DNA after the test is run.

Richard,
I was also surprised by the numbers and will try to clarify.
I understand the official launch will be around the 19th with the new web site and first results the week after Thanksgiving. We should get a good idea of which new SNPs are available at that stage.
Assuming they went from 862 - 6162 SNPs using the existing base of under 1000 samples and we assume they ramp up to 50,000 customers by end of year we could expect a lot of new SNPs discovered in that timeframe. I would assume the newly discovered SNPs would be included in subsequent versions of the chip.
I would expect them to have a release roadmap on an annual basis.
I do not know what the policy is for storing DNA. I remember mine was stored for Geno 1.0 and subsequently transferred to FTDNA. Is there a separate policy for kits used during the testing phase.

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Thanks to CeCe, Katherine, Emily, Roberta for their Tweets.
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« Reply #147 on: November 10, 2012, 08:04:43 PM »

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« Reply #148 on: November 10, 2012, 08:20:11 PM »

I havent ordered Gen2.0 yet awaiting the upgraded but when I join the project several weeks ago, and under my login, it shows:

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people who are participating in the genographic project

If you go to their join page it will say the same thing.


I did transfer my Ftdna DNA to them way back but I didnt register then.

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« Reply #149 on: November 10, 2012, 11:10:49 PM »

I havent ordered Gen2.0 yet awaiting the upgraded but when I join the project several weeks ago, and under my login, it shows:

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... to which NG should add "since its inception in 2005".
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