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Maliclavelli
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« on: July 24, 2012, 05:16:14 AM »

Also K1a4 is overwhelmingly European:

From Ian Logan Spreadsheet:
K1a4 11485
 1. AY495261(European) Coble              K1a4       07-JAN-2008    A73G             A263G        315.1C C497T 523.1C 523.2A 523.3C 523.4A A750G       T1189C A1438G A1811G A2706G        A3480G               A4769G               C7028T               A8860G G9055A               T9698C        A10398G A10550G         T11299C A11467G T11485C G11719A A12308G         G12372A C14167T         C14766T T14798C A15326G                                 T16224C T16311C T16519C
 2. AY495263(European) Coble              K1a4       07-JAN-2008    A73G             A263G        315.1C C497T 523.1C 523.2A 523.3C 523.4A A750G       T1189C A1438G A1811G A2706G        A3480G               A4769G               C7028T               A8860G G9055A               T9698C        A10398G A10550G         T11299C A11467G T11485C G11719A A12308G         G12372A C14167T         C14766T T14798C A15326G                                 T16224C T16311C T16519C
 3. EF657295 mtDNA157(Europe) Herrnstadt  K1a4       14-JUL-2007                                                                           A750G A942G T1189C A1438G A1811G A2706G        A3480G               A4769G               C7028T        T8588C A8860G G9055A        A9667G T9698C        A10398G A10550G C10560T T11299C A11467G T11485C G11719A A12308G         G12372A C14167T         C14766T T14798C A15326G
 4. EU130551(Italy) FTDNA                 K1a4       12-SEP-2007    A73G             A263G        315.1C C497T 524.1C 524.2A               A750G       T1189C A1438G A1811G A2706G        A3480G               A4769G               C7028T               A8860G G9055A               T9698C        A10398G A10550G         T11299C A11467G T11485C G11719A A12308G A12358G G12372A C14167T         C14766T T14798C A15326G                 A16051G         T16224C T16311C T16519C
 5. EU564851 FTDNA                        K1a4       25-MAR-2008    A73G       G207A A263G 309.1C 315.1C C497T 524.1C 524.2A               A750G       T1189C A1438G A1811G A2706G G3010A A3480G C4137T        A4769G G5237A        C7028T A8531G        A8860G G9055A               T9698C        A10398G A10550G         T11299C A11467G T11485C G11719A A12308G         G12372A C14167T         C14766T T14798C A15326G         G15930A                 T16224C T16311C T16519C
 6. FJ348212 Irene                        K1a4       29-NOV-2008    A73G T152C       A263G        315.1C C497T 523.1C 523.2A 523.3C 523.4A A750G       T1189C A1438G A1811G A2706G        A3480G        T4313C A4769G               C7028T               A8860G G9055A G9064A        T9698C        A10398G A10550G         T11299C A11467G T11485C G11719A A12308G         G12372A C14167T         C14766T T14798C A15326G                                 T16224C T16311C T16519C

Not only an Italian is documented, but also that from Irene, who is Irene Pichler, comes from the Rhaetian Region, then Italian Refugium.
But it is interesting to exam the subclade K1a4c1, more recent. Behar 2012b gives for K1a4 an age of 15940.3 +/-2342.2 years and for K1a4c1 3547.2 +/-2760.7. Then which links Armenia with Italy? These are the samples used by Behar 2012b:

JQ703523 Behar Haplogroup [K1a4c1] 07-APR-2012
A73G T152C A263G 309.1C 315.1C C497T A750G T1189C A1438G A1811G A2706G A3480G A4769G C5264T C7028T A8860G G9055A T9698C C9759T A10398G A10550G T11299C A11467G T11485C G11719A A12308G G12372A A12612G A13710G A13827G C14167T C14766T T14798C A15326G T16224C A16246T T16311C T16519C
JQ706020 Behar Haplogroup [K1a4c1] 07-APR-2012
A73G T152C A263G 315.1C C497T 523.1C 523.2A A750G T1189C A1438G A1811G A2706G A3480G A4769G C5264T C7028T A8860G G9055A T9698C A10398G A10550G T11299C A11467G T11485C G11719A A12308G G12372A A12612G A13710G A13827G C14167T C14766T T14798C A15326G T16093C T16224C A16246T T16311C T16519C
HQ435872(Armenian) FTDNA Haplogroup [K1a4c] 01-NOV-2010
A73G T152C A215G A263G 309.1C 315.1C C497T 523.1C 523.2A A750G T1189C A1438G A1811G A2706G A3480G A4769G C5264T G6267A C7028T A8860G G9055A T9698C A10398G A10550G C10834T T11299C A11467G T11485C G11719A A12308G G12372A A12612G A13710G A13827G C14167T C14766T T14798C A15326G T16224C A16246T T16311C T16519C
HQ538515(Armenian) FTDNA Haplogroup [K1a4c] 23-NOV-2010
A73G G143A T152C A263G 309.1C 315.1C C497T 523.1C 523.2A 523.3C 523.4A A750G T1189C A1438G A1811G A2706G A3480G A4769G C5264T C7028T A7325G A8860G G9055A T9698C A10398G A10550G T11299C A11467G T11485C G11719A A12308G G12372A A12612G A13710G A13827G C14167T C14766T T14798C A15326G T16224C A16246T T16311C T16519C

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« Reply #1 on: July 24, 2012, 05:18:58 AM »

On SMGF there are 2 K1a4c1: 1 Italian (Grimaldi/Spera) and 1 German (Reibetanz/Reichel/Geuthel/Oertel).
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« Reply #2 on: July 24, 2012, 09:21:09 AM »

The expansion from the Italian Refugium is documented beyond any doubt by the Mitosearch data:

User ID   HVR1 Mutations   HVR2 Mutations
ZUCDD   224C, 246T, 311C, 519C   073G, 152C, 263G, 315.1C
3PRXG   093C, 224C, 246T, 311C, 519C   073G, 152C, 263G, 315.1C, 497T, 523.1C, 523.2A
5B6YM   093C, 224C, 246T, 311C, 519C   Not Tested
6KJD9   224C, 246T, 311C, 519C   073G, 143A, 152C, 263G, 309.1C, 315.1C, 497T, 524.1C, 524.2C, 524.3C, 524.4A
7TM5R   169T, 224C, 246T, 311C, 519C   Not Tested
8U7BJ   224C, 246T, 311C, 463G, 519C   073G, 152C, 263G, 315.1C, 497T
A2KAY   224C, 246T, 311C, 519C   073G, 152C, 263G, 309.1C, 315.1C, 497T, 524.1A, 524.2C
HS4Y7   093C, 224C, 246T, 311C, 519C   073G, 152C, 263G, 309.1C, 315.1C
KMMQN   169T, 224C, 246T, 311C, 519C   Not Tested
NBMEX   169T, 224C, 246T, 311C, 519C   Not Tested
Q455X   224C, 246T, 311C, 519C   073G, 263G, 309.1C, 315.1C, 497T
QH3YA   224C, 246T, 265G, 311C, 519C   073G, 152C, 198T, 263G, 309.1C, 315.1C, 497T
V373B   169T, 224C, 246T, 311C, 519C   Not Tested
vnxq3   224C, 246T, 311C, 362C, 519C   073G, 152C, 263G, 309.1C, 309.2C, 315.1C, 497T, 523.1C, 523.2A
XEAMS   169T, 224C, 246T, 311C, 519C   Not Tested


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« Reply #3 on: July 24, 2012, 11:16:30 AM »

The only K1a4a on Mitosearch, with both 16168T and 195T, is TH5J4 from Greece and we don’t know if he/she is the same of the FGS

EU603401 FTDNA Haplogroup [K1a4a] 13-APR-2008
A73G T195C A263G 315.1C C497T A750G T1189C A1438G A1811G A2706G A3480G A4769G C6134T G6260A G6480A A6605G C7028T A8860G G9055A T9698C A10398G A10550G T11299C A11467G T11485C G11719A A12308G G12372A C14167T C14766T T14798C A15326G C16168T T16224C T16311C T16519C



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