European E-V257*/L19*

[Maliclavelli]

Hello,
My name is Ray-Scott Miller and I am an Admin of the E1b1b1b* group on FTDNA.com.  Upon looking at your Haplotype on Ysearch, I believe you would be a good fit for our group.  The website is www.ftdna.com/public/peakdistrict
I would like to request that you join our group as we are really beginning to gain some ground on the Italian part of our tree.  Please let me know if you are interested.  My email address is rsmiller@millerhospitality.net
Thanks
RSM

Dear Miller,
Unfortunately I am not Muzzi (ySearch NZA93), but I found him on SMGF and put him on ySearch. Now I am seeing that SMGF has released also the marker DYS635, and with my surprise I have seen that his value is 21-22, which isn’t tested by FTDNA and we aren’t able to charge on ySearch. I have found on SMGF other people linked to him with this value at DYS635: De St. Jeor (Q8ADF), Anonymous from Panama (NNF99), Christy (ZQKCH), Klenner (SQCEV). It seems that all this European hg. E have this mutation and it would be important to test it.
By the haplotypes it seems that these Europeans are E-V257+, and probably their dispersion in Europe is very ancient, by judging by their locations and their mutations.

Kind Regards, Gioiello Tognoni

[Maliclavelli]

Trombetta et al. wrote in “A New Topology of the Human Y Chromosome Haplogroup E1b1 (E-P2) Revealed through the Use of Newly Characterized Binary Polymorphisms”, PLoS ONE 6(1), p 2-3:“Within E-M35, there are striking parallels between two haplogroups, E-V68 and E-V257. Both contain a lineage which has been frequently observed in Africa (E-M78 and E-M81, respectively)  and a group of undifferentiated chromosomes that are mostly found in southern Europe. An expansion of E-M35 carriers, possibly from the Middle East as proposed by other Authors, and split into two branches separated by the geographic barrier of the Mediterranean Sea, would explain this geographic pattern. However, the absence of E-V68* and E-V257* in the Middle East makes a maritime spread between northern Africa and southern Europe a more plausible hypothesis. A detailed analysis of the Y chromosomal microsatellite variation associated with E-V68 and E-V257 could help in gaining a better understanding of the likely timing and place of origin of these two haplogroups”.

But which way? We aren’t more sure of the “Out of Africa” (see the important studies of Anatole Klyosov), why should we be sure that hg. E was born in Africa?

[Maliclavelli]

Interesting also these samples from YHRD:

1 13 13 30 22 9 11 13 12,14 10 12 14,15 22 15 15 21,22 11 >>
1 13 13 30 22 9 11 13 12,16 10 12 14 22 15 15 21,22 11 >>
1 14 13 30 22 9 11 13 12,16 10 12 14 22 15 14 21,22 13 >>
1 of 197 Basque Country, Spain [Spanish] Eurasian - European - Western European Europe 
1 of 130 Rabat, Morocco [Arabs] Afro-Asiatic - Semitic Africa
1 of 1041 United States [European American] Eurasian - European North America