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« Reply #300 on: October 17, 2012, 02:38:32 PM »

Hello, Bob here, is there any benefit to testing for L459 and/or Z245 for a L21**?

Hi Bob,

Yes, absolutely. Only N80403 - Bishop of the L21** kits has tested those two SNP's. He is positive to both. We still don't know if they are older or younger than L21. It would make sense for you to test both.

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« Reply #301 on: October 18, 2012, 01:39:59 PM »

Thank you Kai!
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« Reply #302 on: October 19, 2012, 03:59:43 AM »

There's a new DF63+ this morning: Sims, kit 8042. He lists "United Kingdom" as place of ancestral origin, but nothing more specific as to location.
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« Reply #303 on: October 19, 2012, 04:11:35 PM »

There's a new DF63+ this morning: Sims, kit 8042. He lists "United Kingdom" as place of ancestral origin, but nothing more specific as to location.

Are you seeing any patterns with DF63 people?
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« Reply #304 on: October 19, 2012, 08:50:08 PM »

There's a new DF63+ this morning: Sims, kit 8042. He lists "United Kingdom" as place of ancestral origin, but nothing more specific as to location.

Are you seeing any patterns with DF63 people?

I haven't really tried mapping it out or anything, but we have guys from Spain and France, and England and Scotland, and one from Northern Ireland with a Scottish surname (McFarland). Ireland and Wales thus far have not produced any DF63+ folks.

I'm not sure what it means exactly, but it is interesting.
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« Reply #305 on: October 23, 2012, 03:57:54 AM »

There's another new DF13- this morning, another German: Brunhoeber, kit  N110523. His mdka was born in Hanover.
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« Reply #306 on: October 23, 2012, 06:39:39 AM »

There's another new DF13- this morning, another German: Brunhoeber, kit  N110523. His mdka was born in Hanover.
Not a very common surname in modern Germany, almost exclusively located in Niedersachsen, with the heaviest concentration just NE of Hannover.



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« Reply #307 on: October 23, 2012, 07:17:48 AM »

Yes and Hannover is more than 300 km far from Linz Am rhein (Schaefer, kit H1922 DF13- DF63?)...

For the time being, if we only take into account European Df63+, we have in terms of places of origin:  Brittany, Catalonia, England, Germany, Scotland.


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« Reply #308 on: October 24, 2012, 08:03:41 AM »

It's good to see this group grow. Does anyone know if Schaefer and Brunhoeber have ordered DF63?

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« Reply #309 on: October 24, 2012, 08:47:04 PM »

It's good to see this group grow. Does anyone know if Schaefer and Brunhoeber have ordered DF63?

-Kai

Both of them have. Schaefer ordered it back at the end of September, so it should pop up anytime now. Brunhoeber just ordered it yesterday.
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« Reply #310 on: October 25, 2012, 03:34:39 AM »

It's good to see this group grow. Does anyone know if Schaefer and Brunhoeber have ordered DF63?

-Kai

Both of them have. Schaefer ordered it back at the end of September, so it should pop up anytime now. Brunhoeber just ordered it yesterday.

Thanks Rich. More waiting. :)

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« Reply #311 on: October 26, 2012, 04:07:44 AM »

Schaefer is in the DF63+ category as of this morning.
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« Reply #312 on: October 26, 2012, 05:12:18 AM »

Schaefer is in the DF63+ category as of this morning.

Great! Thanks. :)

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« Reply #313 on: November 06, 2012, 07:38:09 AM »

There's a new DF13- this morning: Hollister, kit N49494. He's not sure who his mdka was or where he came from.
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« Reply #314 on: November 06, 2012, 07:42:32 AM »

There's a new DF13- this morning: Hollister, kit N49494. He's not sure who his mdka was or where he came from.

Rich,

Has he tested L21+ elsewhere?

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« Reply #315 on: November 06, 2012, 07:52:41 AM »

There's a new DF13- this morning: Hollister, kit N49494. He's not sure who his mdka was or where he came from.

Rich,

Has he tested L21+ elsewhere?

-Kai

Yes. He tested L21+ with 23andMe.
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« Reply #316 on: November 06, 2012, 08:00:06 AM »

There's a new DF13- this morning: Hollister, kit N49494. He's not sure who his mdka was or where he came from.

Rich,

Has he tested L21+ elsewhere?

-Kai

Yes. He tested L21+ with 23andMe.

Thank you. :-)

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« Reply #317 on: November 08, 2012, 02:03:29 AM »

There's a new DF13- this morning: Hollister, kit N49494. He's not sure who his mdka was or where he came from.
Ta-daaa!  That was me.  Hollister is my adopted name, but I'm a 66/67 Y match to a Wildes, whose ancestry is believed to be from Scotland by family lore, no paper trail. My DF63 test is already in process, due date 12/24.  Once this comes back, one of the three other Wildes who are close Y67 matches to me (and part of a family project) will also test for these markers. The Wildes family participants are very interested to find out about their ancestor's origins. Many of them believe an alternate story about him which would point to English ancestry. Still others believe the Wildes name has an earlier German origin. This is all new to me so I thought I'd sign up here and stay tuned.

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« Reply #318 on: November 08, 2012, 08:28:56 PM »

Welcome, Todd! Hope you enjoy it here.
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« Reply #319 on: November 13, 2012, 10:19:45 AM »

Welcome, Todd!

I'm looking forward to your DF63 result. :)

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« Reply #320 on: November 19, 2012, 04:56:00 PM »

Welcome, Todd!

I'm looking forward to your DF63 result. :)

-Kai

My result came back today DF63-

That's a negative.

Now I'm wondering if my L21+ result from 23andMe is real. I have not tested for that at FTDNA.

Todd

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« Reply #321 on: November 19, 2012, 05:13:42 PM »

Welcome, Todd!

I'm looking forward to your DF63 result. :)

-Kai

My result came back today DF63-

That's a negative.

Now I'm wondering if my L21+ result from 23andMe is real. I have not tested for that at FTDNA.

Todd



Every L21+, DF13-, DF63- result has so far tested positive for both L459 and Z245

One of these would probably be a good way of verifying your L21 result without doubling up.
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« Reply #322 on: November 19, 2012, 05:23:08 PM »

My 23andMe result for L21 is below. I was told by a couple of people this is a L21+ result:

R1b1b2a1a2f defining mutations
variant                call   anc        der
rs11799226 (L21)    G    C    -->   G

I'm reluctant to pay for more tests at this point.

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« Reply #323 on: November 19, 2012, 08:46:10 PM »

Cook, kit 365 (now that's a kit number!), just got a DF13- result.
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« Reply #324 on: November 20, 2012, 10:32:19 AM »

Welcome, Todd!

I'm looking forward to your DF63 result. :)

-Kai

My result came back today DF63-

That's a negative.

Now I'm wondering if my L21+ result from 23andMe is real. I have not tested for that at FTDNA.

Todd

Hi Todd,

I know FTDNA has done some retesting of suspicious results, I don't know if 23andMe does the same thing. Also, 5 other kits are L21+, DF13-, DF63-, so it's not like it never happens. :)

As JDean wrote, your testing options for now are L459 and Z245 which are tangled with L21. That is, if you decide to do further testing.

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