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« Reply #150 on: July 23, 2012, 06:38:54 AM »

He's in the Hungarian Magyar DNA Project, and Tibor Feher is one of its admins, if that means anything.

http://www.familytreedna.com/public/Hungarian_Magyar_Y-DNA_Project/default.aspx

And their project background states:

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The project's aim is to test the highest possible number of Hungarian (Magyar) surnames. Our primary goal is to discover who belonged to which tribe or ethnic group when entered the Carpathian Basin. Please note that this project is only for ethnic Magyar surnames to minimize the impact of post-17th century settlement and assimilation.

-david

Excellent!

He is a good candidate then. Not only that, but Orbán is an actual Hungarian, although I believe he currently lives in Romania.
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« Reply #151 on: July 23, 2012, 03:30:21 PM »

He's in the Hungarian Magyar DNA Project, and Tibor Feher is one of its admins, if that means anything.

http://www.familytreedna.com/public/Hungarian_Magyar_Y-DNA_Project/default.aspx
I guess that means as a Hungarian he will be able to give you an idea about the background of this name.

BTW, his name is Fehér (=White); é/e is not relevant in English but it IS in Hungarian. $:-)
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« Reply #152 on: July 23, 2012, 05:30:21 PM »

I was going from memory, Peter. I didn't recall an accent mark in Tibor's last name.
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« Reply #153 on: July 23, 2012, 07:15:03 PM »

I dont have the patience for this!
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« Reply #154 on: July 24, 2012, 06:43:35 AM »

I dont have the patience for this!

LOL! Me either.

I'll try to remember the accent marks from now on!
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« Reply #155 on: July 27, 2012, 07:46:01 AM »

We have a second Scot with DF13- results: Sutherland, kit 14713.

I'll ask him to test for DF63.
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« Reply #156 on: July 27, 2012, 07:48:34 AM »

We have a second Scot with DF13- results: Sutherland, kit 14713.

I'll ask him to test for DF63.

Great! My money is on DF63+! :-)

-Kai
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« Reply #157 on: July 27, 2012, 07:57:36 AM »

We have a second Scot with DF13- results: Sutherland, kit 14713.

I'll ask him to test for DF63.

Great! My money is on DF63+! :-)

-Kai

Mine, too.

His mdka came from Caithness and was born there in about 1764. At that time, Caithness was limited to the very northeastern tip of mainland Scotland.

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« Reply #158 on: July 27, 2012, 03:36:29 PM »

Sutherland has ordered the DF63 test.
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« Reply #159 on: July 27, 2012, 03:43:16 PM »

Sutherland has ordered the DF63 test.

That's great! There are so many DF13 and DF63 results I'm waiting for at the moment, and they seem to take forever! I'm especially curious about the Broom and Bøen tests which are ordered based on Mike's varieties.
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« Reply #160 on: July 27, 2012, 03:56:02 PM »

Sutherland has ordered the DF63 test.

That's great! There are so many DF13 and DF63 results I'm waiting for at the moment, and they seem to take forever! I'm especially curious about the Broom and Bøen tests which are ordered based on Mike's varieties.

I'm really curious about the DF13 test for Orbán, the Hungarian.

Maybe we'll get some of those results today.
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« Reply #161 on: July 27, 2012, 05:37:34 PM »

I hope I'll get my DF13 result soon. It is two months I am waiting for.
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« Reply #162 on: July 27, 2012, 08:06:14 PM »

I hope I'll get my DF13 result soon. It is two months I am waiting for.

You should email them, Bernard. Maybe they need to send you a new kit.
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« Reply #163 on: July 27, 2012, 08:20:07 PM »

So far, no new results this evening. Maybe they'll post some later. Sometimes FTDNA posts results pretty late.
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« Reply #164 on: July 27, 2012, 09:02:19 PM »

Well, good night, all. I think I'll go downstairs and have another pale ale. Nothing going on here.

I started watching the Olympics: sorry, London,  but . . . yawn. Of course, a lot of that probably has to do with the way our American network NBC is presenting things.

I'll go watch "Call of the Wildman" on Animal Planet. I like that Kentucky boy, "Turtle Man", and his buddies. They all look like good ol' R-L21s to me. ;-)

Saw them pull a family of 'possums out of whiskey distillery a little while ago.

Live action!
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« Reply #165 on: July 28, 2012, 02:19:33 AM »

You should email them, Bernard. Maybe they need to send you a new kit.
Yes, I emailed them two days ago, but I received no answer. There is another guy : kit 16274 who ordered the DF13 test in the beginning of June and who has not yet his DF13 result. But other guys are waiting for their results for much longer: kit N28007 ordered DF21 test in 2011: the deadline is in december 2011 and he has not yet his result. So maybe I will not have my DF13 result at the end of the year 2012. I am really depressed...
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« Reply #166 on: July 28, 2012, 02:34:09 AM »

We got new results yesterday:

Meadows, UK kit 94428 is DF13- DF63-
Ben C Chavez, Spain kit 180338 is DF13-
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« Reply #167 on: July 28, 2012, 05:38:38 AM »

We got new results yesterday:

Meadows, UK kit 94428 is DF13- DF63-
Ben C Chavez, Spain kit 180338 is DF13-

Well at least we got some new results! :-) Meadows was sort of expected to be DF63-, given his close STR pattern to Bishop. I've contacted Mr. Chavez and asked him to test for DF63. I also asked if he would fill out his MDKA on myFTDNA.

-Kai
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« Reply #168 on: July 28, 2012, 06:42:12 AM »

Our Hungarian and two of our Poles all got DF13+ results. I was disappointed, but life goes on.

Whatever DF13-/DF63- means, and whatever DF63+ means, it's not going to be slap-in-the-face obvious.

Still no Irish DF13- yet.
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« Reply #169 on: July 28, 2012, 07:02:04 AM »

Our Hungarian and two of our Poles all got DF13+ results. I was disappointed, but life goes on.

Whatever DF13-/DF63- means, and whatever DF63+ means, it's not going to be slap-in-the-face obvious.

Still no Irish DF13- yet.


I forgot to mention that Pais also got a DF13+ result. Since Roma is Catalonian and is DF13-, I thought maybe Pais, who is also Catalonian, might be DF13-.

In our massive Catalonian sample of two, DF13 is at 50% frequency. ;-)
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« Reply #170 on: July 28, 2012, 07:18:10 AM »

Our Hungarian and two of our Poles all got DF13+ results. I was disappointed, but life goes on.

Whatever DF13-/DF63- means, and whatever DF63+ means, it's not going to be slap-in-the-face obvious.

Still no Irish DF13- yet.


I forgot to mention that Pais also got a DF13+ result. Since Roma is Catalonian and is DF13-, I thought maybe Pais, who is also Catalonian, might be DF13-.

In our massive Catalonian sample of two, DF13 is at 50% frequency. ;-)

So far it seems like a lottery. This is what I wrote on the L21 Yahoo group this morning:
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As of now we have 14 DF13- kits. 9 of those have received their DF63 results. Of
those 9, 6 are DF63+ and 3 are DF63-. L21* used to be a huge group. As it looks
now, it is a really small group with nearly all L21+ being DF13+ and of those
who are DF13-, two thirds are DF63+.

It's a bit early to start drawing conclusions but some patterns are emerging:
1: DF13- is much more common in the mainland Europe part of the L21+ group.
2: So far all three L21** are from England. Which is really strange, so I hope
we get more DF13- results soon to see if this holds up.

I hope the new DF13- results will help Mike make new varieties. His X13-* varieties so far seem to be correct.

Rich: are there many kits remaining that you would like to test for DF13 but lack funding for?

-Kai
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« Reply #171 on: July 28, 2012, 07:28:13 AM »

No, we have the money. There is one Frenchman with an odd haplotype to whom I offered a DF13 test. The woman who runs that kit hasn't answered me.

Thus far, the DF13- results form an odd geographic pattern, if you can call it a pattern.

One thing you can say about it in the British Isles: it's eastern.
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« Reply #172 on: July 28, 2012, 05:05:13 PM »

Chavez has ordered the DF63 test.
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« Reply #173 on: July 28, 2012, 06:07:55 PM »

Great! That means that all DF13- to date have a DF63 result or have a test pending.
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« Reply #174 on: July 28, 2012, 07:49:17 PM »

No, we have the money. There is one Frenchman with an odd haplotype to whom I offered a DF13 test. The woman who runs that kit hasn't answered me.

Thus far, the DF13- results form an odd geographic pattern, if you can call it a pattern.

One thing you can say about it in the British Isles: it's eastern.

I'm also waiting to see how many more P312+ L459+ Z245+ L21- turn up (and where), now that we know better who to test. I'm having a tough time slotting the Welsh Mr. Jones' result into my preconceived theories. :)

--david
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