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Maliclavelli
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« on: November 01, 2013, 01:20:19 AM »

305168    Lehman    Moses SCHUSTER, b.@1780 - d.@1835, Mielnica    Ukraine    R1b    
13    23    16    10    12-14    11    12    11    13    13    28    18    9-9    11    12    27    14    19    28    12-12-15-15    11    12    21-23    15    15    18    19    32-38    11    11    12    8    15-16    8    10    11    8    9    11    12    22-22    15    11    12    12    15    8    13    23    20    13    12    11    13    11    12    12    12                                                                                                                                                      
This haplotype belong to the _R1b1c (V88+) Cluster C2, even though with a few mutations. They descend all from an unique recent ancestor and we know everything about them, being two of them (Kasdin and Vass) also tested for Geno 2.0: they have 25 SNPs marked PF (the Sardinian ones) in common with the other tested known so far: the guy of Spaniard origin Alvarez. If you look at the "Morley's tree" all is clear. Morley accepted my remark that they belong to the same cluster even though one of them had two no-calls in his Geno 2.0 and only Kasdin has a new private SNP. It is an useless expense to test them, and also 305168: I may send him his Geno 2.0 without he does it. 

It isn't true that only (N16605) Savage/Shpritz of the Jewish R1b1* cluster (they all belong to an unique haplotype) has been tested so far. Not only also Segarra of the Spanish cluster has been tested and has four mutations, but in the same cluster of Savage has been tested also the Italian American DeMao. Only that he found impossible to send his data to FTDNA   , he sent them to me, he has only a private mutation (I have spoken of it in my "Rathna's assessment") and now you can see his data also in the "Itai Perez spreadsheet".
I remember to you that DeMao, Toniolo, Buono di Bello, possibly Mangino when he is tested for Geno 2.0, with their diversity and high variance are one of the strongest points of my theory of the Italian Refugium, now that all these Jews belong to an unique haplotype I   think introgressed in Italy or in Europe and that the MIddle Eastern or Asian R1b1 are revealing not belonging to this cluster ancestor of the subclade, being P25+ but L388/L389-.                                                       
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Maliclavelli


YDNA: R-S12460


MtDNA: K1a1b1e

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