Italian R-L21*

[vineviz]

I more than twelve: you can find many mistakes in my English, but more than twelve!

After many years, I know that you are in you own mind an expert on all matters.  Perhaps we should leave it at that.

[vineviz]

“Leimone” doesn’t mean anything, but “le moine”, pronounced “le mwan”, is in French “The monk”, and in every language there is the surname “The monk”: in Italian Monaco, Lomonaco (South Italy), etc.

The problem for you is that regardless of your imagination, the surname is Leimone not Lemoine.  I have seen it written in an Italian hand in different years with the same spelling.

[Maliclavelli]

By the way, the surname Vallone has an apparent cognate in the French surname Vallon.

Vallone is an Italian surname, like Valle, Valli, Vallini (diffused in my zone). Italian surnames have often a local characterization and make us know their provenance.
I'll study the case of this Sicilian: to Basile I wrote asking, like I have written to Argiedude, to test a close relative to exclude a NPE and didn't have any response.
In Sicily a Norman descent is possible, even though I think that the unique who has a Norman descent in Italy is Vizachero, and permit to me to never take  part again in a conversation with him, because I think at this point he is a provoker.
Let him go ahead with his theories: we shall see how many of those will be right.

[rms2]

The second Vallone, kit 118673, Ysearch K7YBY, got his L21+ result today.

[rms2]

DeFato, kit 196716, joined the R-L21 Plus Project this evening. His mdka came from Genzano, near Potenza, Italy.

He has just 37 markers tested and NO matches at 25 and 37 markers. I couldn't find a Ysearch ID for him.

[Mikewww]

What do you think of this guy?
E8117 Giovanni Pelloni, 1730 circa Italy  Ysearch GF3G9

You can find him in the Irish and Bretagne projects?

This could be a positive for some of Maliclavelli or just some kind of convergence.

He has no deep clade testing but he would be an interesting candidate for L21. His STR signature matches a subset of the Irish Type II L21+ DF13+ folks.
565<=11 385b>=15 447<=24 391=10. Pelloni actually goes a step or two further on 565 with a value of 9.  He might just be an early branch off the Irish II/South people.

[Maliclavelli]

What do you think of this guy?
E8117 Giovanni Pelloni, 1730 circa Italy  Ysearch GF3G9
You can find him in the Irish and Bretagne projects?
This could be a positive for some of Maliclavelli or just some kind of convergence.
He has no deep clade testing but he would be an interesting candidate for L21. His STR signature matches a subset of the Irish Type II L21+ DF13+ folks.
565<=11 385b>=15 447<=24 391=10. Pelloni actually goes a step or two further on 565 with a value of 9.  He might just be an early branch off the Irish II/South people.

I don’t think that Pelloni is R-L21. His closest link is P4XCW Marwede Hermannsburg, Germany who is R-P312.

P.S. But of course I have seen only his 37 markers.

[Mikewww]

What do you think of this guy?
E8117 Giovanni Pelloni, 1730 circa Italy  Ysearch GF3G9
You can find him in the Irish and Bretagne projects?
This could be a positive for some of Maliclavelli or just some kind of convergence.
He has no deep clade testing but he would be an interesting candidate for L21. His STR signature matches a subset of the Irish Type II L21+ DF13+ folks.
565<=11 385b>=15 447<=24 391=10. Pelloni actually goes a step or two further on 565 with a value of 9.  He might just be an early branch off the Irish II/South people.

I don’t think that Pelloni is R-L21. His closest link is P4XCW Marwede Hermannsburg, Germany who is R-P312.

P.S. But of course I have seen only his 37 markers.

I found Marwede in my P312xL21. Marwede is actually DF19+ so perhaps Pelloni should test for that.  No one has a close GD to him though, all greater (including Marwede) than 16 at 67.  He could be either mostly likely DF19, L21 or U152.   Outside chance of DF27+.  I think odds are very high he is at least P312, though.