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« on: May 30, 2012, 05:37:55 PM »

Re-Examining the "Out of Africa" Theory and the Origin of Europeoids (Caucasoids) in Light of DNA Genealogy

Anatole A. Klyosov, Igor L. Rozhanskii

http://www.scirp.org/journal/PaperInformation.aspx?paperID=19566

I don't see any discussion yet on Rootsweb, but I'm sure it is coming shortly, since the basic ideas presented in this paper have already been discussed out debated a bit over there a few weeks ago.

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Seven thousand five hundred fifty-six (7556) haplotypes of 46 subclades in 17 major haplogroups were considered in terms of their base (ancestral) haplotypes and timespans to their common ancestors, for the purposes of designing of time-balanced haplogroup tree. It was found that African haplogroup A (originated 132,000 ± 12,000 years before present) is very remote time-wise from all other haplogroups, which have a separate common ancestor, named β-haplogroup, and originated 64,000 ± 6000 ybp. It includes a family of Europeoid (Caucasoid) haplogroups from F through T that originated 58,000 ± 5000 ybp. A downstream common ancestor for haplogroup A and β-haplogroup, coined the α-haplogroup emerged 160,000 ± 12,000 ybp. A territorial origin of haplogroups α- and β-remains unknown; however, the most likely origin for each of them is a vast triangle stretched from Central Europe in the west through the Russian Plain to the east and to Levant to the south. Haplogroup B is descended from β-haplogroup (and not from haplogroup A, from which it is very distant, and separated by as much as 123,000 years of “lat- eral” mutational evolution) likely migrated to Africa after 46,000 ybp. The finding that the Europeoid haplogroups did not descend from “African” haplogroups A or B is supported by the fact that bearers of the Europeoid haplogroups, as well as all non-African haplogroups do not carry either SNPs M91, P97, M31, P82, M23, M114, P262, M32, M59, P289, P291, P102, M13, M171, M118 (haplogroup A and its subclades SNPs) or M60, M181, P90 (haplogroup B), as it was shown recently in “Walk through Y” FTDNA Project (the reference is incorporated therein) on several hundred people from various haplogroups.
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« Reply #1 on: June 05, 2012, 12:32:19 PM »

Interesting
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« Reply #2 on: June 10, 2012, 05:59:09 PM »

Re-Examining the "Out of Africa" Theory and the Origin of Europeoids (Caucasoids) in Light of DNA Genealogy

Anatole A. Klyosov, Igor L. Rozhanskii

http://www.scirp.org/journal/PaperInformation.aspx?paperID=19566

I don't see any discussion yet on Rootsweb, but I'm sure it is coming shortly, since the basic ideas presented in this paper have already been discussed out debated a bit over there a few weeks ago.

ABSTRACT
Seven thousand five hundred fifty-six (7556) haplotypes of 46 subclades in 17 major haplogroups were considered in terms of their base (ancestral) haplotypes and timespans to their common ancestors, for the purposes of designing of time-balanced haplogroup tree. It was found that African haplogroup A (originated 132,000 ± 12,000 years before present) is very remote time-wise from all other haplogroups, which have a separate common ancestor, named β-haplogroup, and originated 64,000 ± 6000 ybp. It includes a family of Europeoid (Caucasoid) haplogroups from F through T that originated 58,000 ± 5000 ybp. A downstream common ancestor for haplogroup A and β-haplogroup, coined the α-haplogroup emerged 160,000 ± 12,000 ybp. A territorial origin of haplogroups α- and β-remains unknown; however, the most likely origin for each of them is a vast triangle stretched from Central Europe in the west through the Russian Plain to the east and to Levant to the south. Haplogroup B is descended from β-haplogroup (and not from haplogroup A, from which it is very distant, and separated by as much as 123,000 years of “lat- eral” mutational evolution) likely migrated to Africa after 46,000 ybp. The finding that the Europeoid haplogroups did not descend from “African” haplogroups A or B is supported by the fact that bearers of the Europeoid haplogroups, as well as all non-African haplogroups do not carry either SNPs M91, P97, M31, P82, M23, M114, P262, M32, M59, P289, P291, P102, M13, M171, M118 (haplogroup A and its subclades SNPs) or M60, M181, P90 (haplogroup B), as it was shown recently in “Walk through Y” FTDNA Project (the reference is incorporated therein) on several hundred people from various haplogroups.

I'm sure Mr. Kylosov will point out some persecution that happened over 70,000 years ago.  Sorry but when I see this person's name attached to all the numerous releases of recent publications I can only think that it's a fraud, or seriously misinformed person with an agenda to glorify the Slavs and demonize R1b; all this while trying to use genetics as "proof" that R1b persecuted R1a people.

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« Reply #3 on: November 20, 2013, 02:26:29 AM »

You can observe here a map of the presence of the Alans in Eastern Anatolia, North Iran and the big migration to Western Iberia. You can also observe a rare J1b type 16/17 YHRD match of two haplotypes: a Gilaki from the Southern Caspian Sea and a Brazilian from the Continental heartland of South America in Mato Grosso:
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