Also DQ112894, published on Ian Logan spreadsheet and belonging to K1a1b1e, is Italian:
See: T. Kivisild et al., “The Role of Selection in the Evolution of Human Mitochondrial Genomes”, Genetics Society of America, 2006: Eu25 Italian
EF657432, published in Herrnstadt et al., Reduced-median-network analysis of complete mitochondrial DNA coding-region sequences for the major African, Asian, and European haplogroups, Am. J. Hum. Genet. 70 (5), 1152-1171 (2002), was submitted by (08-JUN-2007) Department of Biochemistry and Molecular Biology 'Ernesto Quagliariello', University of Bari, Via Orabona 4, Bari 70126, Italy.
Dear Whoknows, but who knows you?
I am not a “she” but a “he”, exactly that Gioiello Tognoni K1a1b1e. Why do a few reply to me? For many reasons.
1) Mine are scientific observations and to reply to me one should know enough to understand what I say, and evidently there are a few, also amongst many versed in other fields, who get this (see the famous Nordtvedt, Vizachero, Klyosov, or the popular Jean Manco etc.). But I have many friends here, first of all Richard Stevens, who invited me here after my banishments from Rootsweb, Dna-forums and lastly also Dienekes and Maju evidently don’t like me much. But Richard Rocca had the intelligence to not underestimate my theories.
2) I am Italian, Tuscan, and evidently Wasp have always some prejudice against us “pizza” and “mandolino”. They cannot say to me “mafia” because I am a Tuscan and of Sicilian I have only the wife.
3) But the most important reason is that my theories, which I think are winning along all the line, were against the believing of all, also of the plethora of geneticists and researchers who haven’t understood anything of this stuff so far.
On SMGF there are 24 “Wasp” probably K1a1b1e like me with the mutations
I am waiting that someone test them for the coding region. After I think that my theory shall be recognized by everyone.
On Mitosearch there are two haplotypes like these ones:
16224C 16311C 16519C 73G 263G 315.1C 477C 497T
I have put XWAU7 with also 16189C.
Another haplotype with 16259Y I haven’t put on Mitosearch because the heteroplasmy isn’t considered.
These all people have an ancestry from the Isles.
To Razyn I say that what he says Jean Manco has said frequently, also lastly on Dna-forums, and asked that an answer of mine were censured (she offended me, I replied with irony), but now is searching to save her theories with these last “Italian corridor”. I am grieving at her.
About your origin (Hulan, Holan? There was a Czech poet) I’ll say something definitive next.
The haplotype of JQ704207 seems rarer, but there is also an English, probably belonging to this haplogroup, on SMGF:
1 gatcacaggt ctatcaccct attaaccact cacgggagct ctccatgcat ttggtatttt
61 cgtctggggg gtgtgcacgc gatagcattg cgagacgctg gagccggagc accTtatgtc
121 gcagtatctg tctttgattc ctgccCcatc ctattattta tcgcacctac gttcaatatt
Lilian Ottaway, 1884, Woking, Surrey, England:
16184A 16224C 16311C 16519C 73G 114T 146C 263G 315.1C 497T
But probably Behar et al. were unlucky, because this haplotype is probably derived from a previous one without the back mutation in 146, then with 146T (or with a new mutation from C to T)
16184A 16224C 16311C 16519C 73G 114T 263G 315.1C 497T
Even though it is difficult to think to all these back muations, the transversion in 16184 seems very rare and happened before.
There are on SMGF 3 people : 2 Australians of British descend (Quirk) and a Pole, Wolf, of German descend, and we find this haplotype also in the core of the Bell Beaker. Difficult to say by which path.
And certainly this K1a with back mutations in 73 and 263 is noteworthy:
Mary Cain, 1830 County Mayo, Ireland:
16093Y 16224C 16311C 16519C 315.1C 497T
And also Mary Susan Bailey, 1891, Sanford, Colorado, USA :
16224C 16311C 16519C 315.1C 497T
See Mitosearch PESXC and also Z9F22, 4CDDS, 85ABU.
JG Weston says: “Lilian Ethel Ottoway was my grand mother, she may have been adopted”.
And of course the most interesting is 85ABU:
First Name: Pedro
Last Name: Ramiro
Year Born: About 1500
Country of Origin: Santa Cruz de la Salceda, Burgos, Spain
And what to think of 4CDDS?
Tested with: Family Tree DNA
Contact person: William T (Bill) Pool Contact this user
Most distant known maternal ancestor on the direct female line
First Name: Anne
Last Name: Beddingfield
Year Born: About 1855
Country of Origin: Hawkinsville ?, GA, Germany
Latitude: 33 deg 7 min N
Longitude: 84 deg 4 min W
Additional information about Maternal Line:
mother of Anne Beddingfield was a Davis, first name and date of birth unknown