World Families Forums - R-L21: DF41 another new subclade to watch - it is old!

Welcome, Guest. Please login or register.
April 18, 2014, 11:48:52 AM
Home Help Search Login Register

+  World Families Forums
|-+  General Forums - Note: You must Be Logged In to post. Anyone can browse.
| |-+  R1b General (Moderator: rms2)
| | |-+  R-L21: DF41 another new subclade to watch - it is old!
« previous next »
Pages: 1 ... 16 17 [18] 19 20 Go Down Print
Author Topic: R-L21: DF41 another new subclade to watch - it is old!  (Read 31862 times)
Mike Walsh
Guru
*****
Offline Offline

Posts: 2963


WWW
« Reply #425 on: January 22, 2013, 05:22:47 PM »

Larry, I just noticed your posted results include PF1169+. That is reportedly downstream of M222+ and puts you in fairly select company.

Please consider joining this project at http://www.familytreedna.com/public/R1b-PF1169/

I think that maybe I'm glad that DF41 didn't make the cut for GENO 2.0. There's an example of the kinds of things they are getting below, and it is going to take more than a day or two to sort those worms from the spagetti. Sometimes I guess that less is more.

-------------

Now after uploading my Geno data to FTDNA, my terminal SNP's are not in agreement - as follows:
1. FTDNA - M222
2. Geno - DF23


Let's hope this gets resolved soon. One possibility is that a new SNP was found between DF23 and M222, as well as other SNP's below M222?


If David Wilson or Paul Burns are reading this, are there any other M222+ people who have results to share from Geno 2.0.


My full list of SNP's - for anyone interested is:


CTS10168+, CTS10362+, CTS10834+, CTS109+, CTS11358+, CTS11468+, CTS11575+, CTS11726+, CTS11985+, CTS12478+, CTS125+, CTS12632+, CTS1996+, CTS2134+, CTS2664+, CTS3063+, CTS3135+, CTS3331+, CTS3358+, CTS3431+, CTS3536+, CTS3575+, CTS3654+, CTS3662+, CTS3868+, CTS3996+, CTS4244+, CTS4364+, CTS4368+, CTS4437+, CTS4443+, CTS4740+, CTS5318+, CTS5457+, CTS5532+, CTS5577+, CTS5884+, CTS6135+, CTS623+, CTS6383+, CTS6800+, CTS6907+, CTS7400+, CTS7659+, CTS7922+, CTS7933+, CTS8243+, CTS8591+, CTS8665+, CTS8728+, CTS8980+, CTS9828+, DF23+, F1046+, F115+, F1209+, F1302+, F1320+, F1329+, F1704+, F1714+, F1753+, F1767+, F1794+, F180+, F2048+, F2075+, F211+, F212+, F2142+, F2155+, F2402+, F2587+, F2688+, F2710+, F2837+, F29+, F295+, F2985+, F2993+, F3111+, F313+, F3136+, F33+, F332+, F3335+, F344+, F3556+, F356+, F359+, F3692+, F378+, F4+, F47+, F506+, F556+, F63+, F640+, F647+, F652+, F671+, F719+, F82+, F83+, F93+, L11+, L132+, L15+, L150+, L151+, L16+, L23+, L265+, L278+, L350+, L388+, L389+, L407+, L468+, L470+, L471+, L478+, L482+, L483+, L498+, L500+, L502+, L506+, L51+, L52+, L566+, L585+, L721+, L747+, L752+, L754+, L761+, L768+, L773+, L774+, L779+, L781+, L82+, M126-, M139+, M153-, M160-, M168+, M173+, M18-, M207+, M222+, M235+, M269+, M294+, M343+, M37-, M415+, M42+, M45+, M526+, M65-, M73-, M89+, M94+, P128+, P131+, P132+, P135+, P136+, P138+, P14+, P141+, P145+, P146+, P148+, P151+, P158+, P159+, P160+, P166+, P187+, P207+, P225+, P226+, P228+, P229+, P230+, P232+, P233+, P235+, P236+, P237+, P238+, P240+, P242+, P243+, P244+, P245+, P25+, P280+, P281+, P282+, P283+, P284+, P285+, P286+, P295+, P297+, P310+, P66-, PAGES00083+, PF1016+, PF1029+, PF1031+, PF1040+, PF1046+, PF1061+, PF1092+, PF1097+, PF110+, PF1169+, PF1203+, PF1269+, PF1276+, PF15+, PF192+, PF210+, PF212+, PF223+, PF234+, PF258+, PF2591+, PF2593+, PF2599+, PF2600+, PF2608+, PF2611+, PF2615+, PF2624+, PF263+, PF2631+, PF2643+, PF272+, PF2745+, PF2747+, PF2748+, PF2749+, PF2770+, PF278+, PF292+, PF316+, PF325+, PF342+, PF500+, PF5465+, PF5466+, PF5468+, PF5471+, PF5851+, PF5853+, PF5854+, PF5865+, PF5869+, PF5871+, PF5882+, PF5886+, PF5887+, PF5888+, PF5953+, PF5956+, PF5957+, PF5964+, PF5965+, PF5982+, PF6007+, PF601+, PF6063+, PF6091+, PF6145+, PF6246+, PF6249+, PF6250+, PF6263+, PF6265+, PF6270+, PF6271+, PF6272+, PF6404+, PF6409+, PF6411+, PF6424+, PF6425+, PF6430+, PF6432+, PF6434+, PF6438+, PF6443+, PF6463+, PF6494+, PF6495+, PF6498+, PF6500+, PF6506+, PF6507+, PF6509+, PF6524+, PF667+, PF719+, PF720+, PF725+, PF779+, PF796+, PF803+, PF815+, PF821+, PF840+, PF844+, PF892+, PF937+, PF951+, PF954+, PF970+, s10+, s3+, SRY2627-, V186+, V189+, V205+, V52+, V9+, YSC0000067+, YSC0000072+, YSC0000075+, YSC0000082+, YSC0000166+, YSC0000176+, YSC0000179+, YSC0000182+, YSC0000186+, YSC0000191+, YSC0000194+, YSC0000201+, YSC0000203+, YSC0000205+, YSC0000207+, YSC0000213+, YSC0000219+, YSC0000224+, YSC0000225+, YSC0000227+, YSC0000230+, YSC0000232+, YSC0000233+, YSC0000251+, YSC0000269+, YSC0000270+, YSC0000279+, YSC0000288+, YSC0000294+, Z290+


Logged

R1b-L21>L513(DF1)>L705.2
Dubhthach
Old Hand
****
Offline Offline

Posts: 273


« Reply #426 on: January 22, 2013, 05:43:22 PM »

Larry, I just noticed your posted results include PF1169+. That is reportedly downstream of M222+ and puts you in fairly select company.

Please consider joining this project at http://www.familytreedna.com/public/R1b-PF1169/

I think that maybe I'm glad that DF41 didn't make the cut for GENO 2.0. There's an example of the kinds of things they are getting below, and it is going to take more than a day or two to sort those worms from the spagetti. Sometimes I guess that less is more.

-------------

Now after uploading my Geno data to FTDNA, my terminal SNP's are not in agreement - as follows:
1. FTDNA - M222
2. Geno - DF23


Let's hope this gets resolved soon. One possibility is that a new SNP was found between DF23 and M222, as well as other SNP's below M222?


If David Wilson or Paul Burns are reading this, are there any other M222+ people who have results to share from Geno 2.0.


My full list of SNP's - for anyone interested is:


CTS10168+, CTS10362+, CTS10834+, CTS109+, CTS11358+, CTS11468+, CTS11575+, CTS11726+, CTS11985+, CTS12478+, CTS125+, CTS12632+, CTS1996+, CTS2134+, CTS2664+, CTS3063+, CTS3135+, CTS3331+, CTS3358+, CTS3431+, CTS3536+, CTS3575+, CTS3654+, CTS3662+, CTS3868+, CTS3996+, CTS4244+, CTS4364+, CTS4368+, CTS4437+, CTS4443+, CTS4740+, CTS5318+, CTS5457+, CTS5532+, CTS5577+, CTS5884+, CTS6135+, CTS623+, CTS6383+, CTS6800+, CTS6907+, CTS7400+, CTS7659+, CTS7922+, CTS7933+, CTS8243+, CTS8591+, CTS8665+, CTS8728+, CTS8980+, CTS9828+, DF23+, F1046+, F115+, F1209+, F1302+, F1320+, F1329+, F1704+, F1714+, F1753+, F1767+, F1794+, F180+, F2048+, F2075+, F211+, F212+, F2142+, F2155+, F2402+, F2587+, F2688+, F2710+, F2837+, F29+, F295+, F2985+, F2993+, F3111+, F313+, F3136+, F33+, F332+, F3335+, F344+, F3556+, F356+, F359+, F3692+, F378+, F4+, F47+, F506+, F556+, F63+, F640+, F647+, F652+, F671+, F719+, F82+, F83+, F93+, L11+, L132+, L15+, L150+, L151+, L16+, L23+, L265+, L278+, L350+, L388+, L389+, L407+, L468+, L470+, L471+, L478+, L482+, L483+, L498+, L500+, L502+, L506+, L51+, L52+, L566+, L585+, L721+, L747+, L752+, L754+, L761+, L768+, L773+, L774+, L779+, L781+, L82+, M126-, M139+, M153-, M160-, M168+, M173+, M18-, M207+, M222+, M235+, M269+, M294+, M343+, M37-, M415+, M42+, M45+, M526+, M65-, M73-, M89+, M94+, P128+, P131+, P132+, P135+, P136+, P138+, P14+, P141+, P145+, P146+, P148+, P151+, P158+, P159+, P160+, P166+, P187+, P207+, P225+, P226+, P228+, P229+, P230+, P232+, P233+, P235+, P236+, P237+, P238+, P240+, P242+, P243+, P244+, P245+, P25+, P280+, P281+, P282+, P283+, P284+, P285+, P286+, P295+, P297+, P310+, P66-, PAGES00083+, PF1016+, PF1029+, PF1031+, PF1040+, PF1046+, PF1061+, PF1092+, PF1097+, PF110+, PF1169+, PF1203+, PF1269+, PF1276+, PF15+, PF192+, PF210+, PF212+, PF223+, PF234+, PF258+, PF2591+, PF2593+, PF2599+, PF2600+, PF2608+, PF2611+, PF2615+, PF2624+, PF263+, PF2631+, PF2643+, PF272+, PF2745+, PF2747+, PF2748+, PF2749+, PF2770+, PF278+, PF292+, PF316+, PF325+, PF342+, PF500+, PF5465+, PF5466+, PF5468+, PF5471+, PF5851+, PF5853+, PF5854+, PF5865+, PF5869+, PF5871+, PF5882+, PF5886+, PF5887+, PF5888+, PF5953+, PF5956+, PF5957+, PF5964+, PF5965+, PF5982+, PF6007+, PF601+, PF6063+, PF6091+, PF6145+, PF6246+, PF6249+, PF6250+, PF6263+, PF6265+, PF6270+, PF6271+, PF6272+, PF6404+, PF6409+, PF6411+, PF6424+, PF6425+, PF6430+, PF6432+, PF6434+, PF6438+, PF6443+, PF6463+, PF6494+, PF6495+, PF6498+, PF6500+, PF6506+, PF6507+, PF6509+, PF6524+, PF667+, PF719+, PF720+, PF725+, PF779+, PF796+, PF803+, PF815+, PF821+, PF840+, PF844+, PF892+, PF937+, PF951+, PF954+, PF970+, s10+, s3+, SRY2627-, V186+, V189+, V205+, V52+, V9+, YSC0000067+, YSC0000072+, YSC0000075+, YSC0000082+, YSC0000166+, YSC0000176+, YSC0000179+, YSC0000182+, YSC0000186+, YSC0000191+, YSC0000194+, YSC0000201+, YSC0000203+, YSC0000205+, YSC0000207+, YSC0000213+, YSC0000219+, YSC0000224+, YSC0000225+, YSC0000227+, YSC0000230+, YSC0000232+, YSC0000233+, YSC0000251+, YSC0000269+, YSC0000270+, YSC0000279+, YSC0000288+, YSC0000294+, Z290+



Larry hasn't done GENO 2.0 testing, the above his him quoting another poster. By the way going on SNP result page in Ireland project PF1169+ is also found in Haplogroup A!

-Paul
(DF41+)
Logged
rms2
Board Moderator
Guru
*****
Offline Offline

Posts: 5023


« Reply #427 on: February 02, 2013, 11:51:02 AM »

Well, Rotrou, kit E5171, Makepeace, kit 124651, and Iseman, kit N42297, are all DF41-. McClellan, kit 21647, is DF41+, but that was no big surprise, since he is a fairly close haplotype neighbor to the McCown/McCune group. What little faith I had in Williamson's last joining tree is gone now. Don't get me wrong, I'm not faulting Williamson himself. The fault lies with the joining tree. I'm sure as it is refined further, it will become a better tool. There were a couple of other DF41 results, all negative, but no one we had on our radar.
Logged

Jdean
Old Hand
****
Offline Offline

Posts: 678


« Reply #428 on: February 02, 2013, 12:23:40 PM »

Well, Rotrou, kit E5171, Makepeace, kit 124651, and Iseman, kit N42297, are all DF41-. McClellan, kit 21647, is DF41+, but that was no big surprise, since he is a fairly close haplotype neighbor to the McCown/McCune group. What little faith I had in Williamson's last joining tree is gone now. Don't get me wrong, I'm not faulting Williamson himself. The fault lies with the joining tree. I'm sure as it is refined further, it will become a better tool. There were a couple of other DF41 results, all negative, but no one we had on our radar.


Ho hum, FTDNA are in super crawl mode at the moment which is frustrating enough by itself but doubly so when nothing interesting turns up.
Logged

Y-DNA R-DF49*
MtDNA J1c2e
Kit No. 117897
Ysearch 3BMC9

rms2
Board Moderator
Guru
*****
Offline Offline

Posts: 5023


« Reply #429 on: February 02, 2013, 09:46:14 PM »

Well, Rotrou, kit E5171, Makepeace, kit 124651, and Iseman, kit N42297, are all DF41-. McClellan, kit 21647, is DF41+, but that was no big surprise, since he is a fairly close haplotype neighbor to the McCown/McCune group. What little faith I had in Williamson's last joining tree is gone now. Don't get me wrong, I'm not faulting Williamson himself. The fault lies with the joining tree. I'm sure as it is refined further, it will become a better tool. There were a couple of other DF41 results, all negative, but no one we had on our radar.


Ho hum, FTDNA are in super crawl mode at the moment which is frustrating enough by itself but doubly so when nothing interesting turns up.

Too true.

I'm also waiting for my 111-marker upgrade, which has a predicted due date of 18 Feb 2013. I'm hoping it's early.
Logged

seferhabahir
Old Hand
****
Offline Offline

Posts: 271


« Reply #430 on: February 02, 2013, 10:28:54 PM »


Ho hum, FTDNA are in super crawl mode at the moment which is frustrating enough by itself but doubly so when nothing interesting turns up.

Too true.

I'm also waiting for my 111-marker upgrade, which has a predicted due date of 18 Feb 2013. I'm hoping it's early.

Ditto
Logged

Y-DNA: R-L21 (Z251+ L583+)

mtDNA: J1c7a

OConnor
Old Hand
****
Offline Offline

Posts: 675


« Reply #431 on: February 05, 2013, 08:35:44 PM »

Feb 18th is also my due date for Family Finder.
Logged

R1b1a2a1a1b4


R-DF13**(L21>DF13)
M42+, M45+, M526+, M74+, M89+, M9+, M94+, P108+, P128+, P131+, P132+, P133+, P134+, P135+, P136+, P138+, P139+, P14+, P140+, P141+, P143+, P145+, P146+, P148+, P149+, P151+, P157+, P158+, P159+, P160+, P161+, P163+, P166+, P187+, P207+, P224+, P226+, P228+, P229+, P230+, P231+, P232+, P233+, P234+, P235+, P236+, P237+, P238+, P239+, P242+, P243+, P244+, P245+, P280+, P281+, P282+, P283+, P284+, P285+, P286+, P294+, P295+, P297+, P305+, P310+, P311+, P312+, P316+, M173+, M269+, M343+, P312+, L21+, DF13+, M207+, P25+, L11+, L138+, L141+, L15+, L150+, L16+, L23+, L51+, L52+, M168+, M173+, M207+, M213+, M269+, M294+, M299+, M306+, M343+, P69+, P9.1+, P97+, PK1+, SRY10831.1+, L21+, L226-, M37-, M222-, L96-, L193-, L144-, P66-, SRY2627-, M222-, DF49-, L371-, DF41-, L513-, L555-, L1335-, L1406-, Z251-, L526-, L130-, L144-, L159.2-, L192.1-, L193-, L195-, L96-, DF21-, Z255-, DF23-, DF1-, Z253-, M37-, M65-, M73-, M18-, M126-, M153-, M160-, P66-

12 24 14 10 11 14 12 12 12 13 13 29 18


rms2
Board Moderator
Guru
*****
Offline Offline

Posts: 5023


« Reply #432 on: February 10, 2013, 10:26:45 AM »

The latest scuttlebutt is that Geno 2.0's CTS2501 is either downstream of DF41 or equivalent to it. There are two guys in the R-L21 Plus Project who are CTS2501+: B2895, Bettcher (no listed mdka), and 57001, McConnell (mdka from New Jersey, b. 1830).

McConnell has DF41 on order. Hopefully, Bettcher will order it, as well. I have contacted him.
Logged

rms2
Board Moderator
Guru
*****
Offline Offline

Posts: 5023


« Reply #433 on: February 10, 2013, 02:56:02 PM »

The latest scuttlebutt is that Geno 2.0's CTS2501 is either downstream of DF41 or equivalent to it. There are two guys in the R-L21 Plus Project who are CTS2501+: B2895, Bettcher (no listed mdka), and 57001, McConnell (mdka from New Jersey, b. 1830).

McConnell has DF41 on order. Hopefully, Bettcher will order it, as well. I have contacted him.


I forgot to mention that there is the possibility that CTS2501 is upstream of DF41, with all DF41+ men CTS2501+ but some CTS2501+ guys DF41-. It's also possible possible that CTS2501 is a "weasel SNP": my term for one of those flaky pseudo-SNPs that pop up time and again in different haplogroups and are too unstable to be much good.

We're going to try to figure all this out.
Logged

Larry Walker
Senior Member
***
Offline Offline

Posts: 59


« Reply #434 on: February 10, 2013, 03:50:29 PM »

Also 143035 Stewart who is L745+ CTS2501+.
Logged
rms2
Board Moderator
Guru
*****
Offline Offline

Posts: 5023


« Reply #435 on: February 10, 2013, 06:27:50 PM »

Also 143035 Stewart who is L745+ CTS2501+.

So CTS2501 could be between DF41 and L744.

Bettcher now has DF41 on order. I hope he is DF41+.

We'll know in a month or so, maybe even sooner.
Logged

rms2
Board Moderator
Guru
*****
Offline Offline

Posts: 5023


« Reply #436 on: February 10, 2013, 07:10:02 PM »

Also 143035 Stewart who is L745+ CTS2501+.

So CTS2501 could be between DF41 and L744.

Bettcher now has DF41 on order. I hope he is DF41+.

We'll know in a month or so, maybe even sooner.


I take the part about L744 back. Isn't L744 included in Geno 2.0? If it is, we'd know if they were L744+, and neither McConnell nor Bettcher is L744+. So, scratch that, I guess.
Logged

df.reynolds
Old Hand
****
Offline Offline

Posts: 126


« Reply #437 on: February 11, 2013, 12:04:19 AM »

Also 143035 Stewart who is L745+ CTS2501+.

So CTS2501 could be between DF41 and L744.

Bettcher now has DF41 on order. I hope he is DF41+.

We'll know in a month or so, maybe even sooner.


I take the part about L744 back. Isn't L744 included in Geno 2.0? If it is, we'd know if they were L744+, and neither McConnell nor Bettcher is L744+. So, scratch that, I guess.

Correct. Geno 2.0 results show both McConnell and Bettcher as L744-.

--david
Logged
rms2
Board Moderator
Guru
*****
Offline Offline

Posts: 5023


« Reply #438 on: February 11, 2013, 08:07:43 PM »

I guess it could still be between DF41 and L744, since McConnell and Bettcher are L744- but CTS2501+, and there's a Stewart who is CTS2501+ and L744+.

I'm hoping it's just equivalent to DF41.
« Last Edit: February 11, 2013, 08:08:02 PM by rms2 » Logged

Dubhthach
Old Hand
****
Offline Offline

Posts: 273


« Reply #439 on: February 12, 2013, 05:57:52 AM »

If it's equivalent to DF41 then we at least get some positive feedback from Geno 2.0. If it's above DF41 well I'd just regard it as new DF13 for me. My terminal SNP is still gonna be DF41+

The news regarding L247(.2) for 1426 cluster is interesting. I'm assuming it's included in Geno 2.0 correct?

-Paul
(DF41+)
Logged
df.reynolds
Old Hand
****
Offline Offline

Posts: 126


« Reply #440 on: February 12, 2013, 02:48:31 PM »

If it's equivalent to DF41 then we at least get some positive feedback from Geno 2.0. If it's above DF41 well I'd just regard it as new DF13 for me. My terminal SNP is still gonna be DF41+

The news regarding L247(.2) for 1426 cluster is interesting. I'm assuming it's included in Geno 2.0 correct?

-Paul
(DF41+)

Yes, L247 is in Geno 2.0. I've included it in the DF41 section of the R-L21 Summary Table:
http://daver.info/WTY/R-L21.pdf

--david
Logged
Larry Walker
Senior Member
***
Offline Offline

Posts: 59


« Reply #441 on: February 14, 2013, 01:01:08 AM »

If McConnel tests DF41+, then CTS11440 is going to also come into play.
Logged
rms2
Board Moderator
Guru
*****
Offline Offline

Posts: 5023


« Reply #442 on: February 14, 2013, 08:41:34 PM »

If McConnel tests DF41+, then CTS11440 is going to also come into play.

I hope he does.
Logged

Larry Walker
Senior Member
***
Offline Offline

Posts: 59


« Reply #443 on: February 15, 2013, 11:56:41 AM »

L247

  Thanks to Chris and Paul, we now have several tests on order that should:

1. If any one test is positive, will qualify L247 for the ISOGG tree.

2. Will position it below DF41 relative to known DF41 clusters and subclades.

Given the apparent backlog at FTDNA, it will probably be 6 weeks to two months before we know the results.

Cheers,
Larry Walker
240201 DF41+
 (cross-posted to L21-Yahoo)
Logged
rms2
Board Moderator
Guru
*****
Offline Offline

Posts: 5023


« Reply #444 on: February 15, 2013, 09:26:47 PM »

L247

  Thanks to Chris and Paul, we now have several tests on order that should:

1. If any one test is positive, will qualify L247 for the ISOGG tree.

2. Will position it below DF41 relative to known DF41 clusters and subclades.

Given the apparent backlog at FTDNA, it will probably be 6 weeks to two months before we know the results.

Cheers,
Larry Walker
240201 DF41+
 (cross-posted to L21-Yahoo)

What's the info on L247 thus far? Why do we suspect it's below DF41?
Logged

Larry Walker
Senior Member
***
Offline Offline

Posts: 59


« Reply #445 on: February 16, 2013, 02:15:38 AM »

L247

  Thanks to Chris and Paul, we now have several tests on order that should:

1. If any one test is positive, will qualify L247 for the ISOGG tree.

2. Will position it below DF41 relative to known DF41 clusters and subclades.

Given the apparent backlog at FTDNA, it will probably be 6 weeks to two months before we know the results.

Cheers,
Larry Walker
240201 DF41+
 (cross-posted to L21-Yahoo)

What's the info on L247 thus far? Why do we suspect it's below DF41?

A semi-"private" FTDNA McCown match is DF41+ CTS2501+ L247+ and a 5 of 7 match for 41-1426C-A. He gave David permission to use his GENO2 data, so you can find him listed as L247+ in the DF41 section at http://daver.info/WTY/R-L21.pdf .
Logged
rms2
Board Moderator
Guru
*****
Offline Offline

Posts: 5023


« Reply #446 on: February 16, 2013, 10:43:15 AM »

Okay, thanks. So we are testing to see if it turns up in any non-McCowns and if it meets the other requirements for inclusion on ISOGG's R Tree.

Logged

Larry Walker
Senior Member
***
Offline Offline

Posts: 59


« Reply #447 on: March 05, 2013, 11:07:26 AM »

Cross-posted from Yahoo:

My latest version of a DF41 tree is posted at http://rangebiome.org/ClanDF41.jpg . This is a permalink for the latest version whatever that may be.

Anybody who is DF41+ and wants to be included in this tree needs to join the R-DF41 & Subclades Project http://www.familytreedna.com/public/R-DF41/default.aspx?section=yresults .

Cheers,
Larry Walker
240201 DF41+
Logged
Dubhthach
Old Hand
****
Offline Offline

Posts: 273


« Reply #448 on: March 05, 2013, 11:30:20 AM »

Clann is a good term, after all in Irish it actually means "Children" eg. Children of Dubhthach = Clann Uí Dhubhthaigh (aka. The Duffy's). In sense we are all "Children" of Mr. DF41+ the first man that the SNP arose in.

-Paul
(DF41+)
Logged
Mike Walsh
Guru
*****
Offline Offline

Posts: 2963


WWW
« Reply #449 on: March 07, 2013, 01:45:24 AM »

Clann is a good term, after all in Irish it actually means "Children" eg. Children of Dubhthach = Clann Uí Dhubhthaigh (aka. The Duffy's). In sense we are all "Children" of Mr. DF41+ the first man that the SNP arose in....

I liked the word "clan" too, but have been scolded, once by a Dutchman and once by a Frenchman, that are in my haplogroup.  I ended up with more neutral terminology because the last people I want to lose are the continentals.

They feel like the word "clan" is some kind of Irish thing that excludes them.

I don't know. I'm just reporting my experience.
Logged

R1b-L21>L513(DF1)>L705.2
Pages: 1 ... 16 17 [18] 19 20 Go Up Print 
« previous next »
Jump to:  


SEO light theme by © Mustang forums. Powered by SMF 1.1.13 | SMF © 2006-2011, Simple Machines LLC

Page created in 0.136 seconds with 18 queries.