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Maliclavelli
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« on: March 24, 2012, 02:51:17 PM »

The recent paper of Coia et al., Evidence of high genetic variation among linguistically diverse populations on a micro-geographic scale: a case study of the Italian Alps, JoHG, 15 March 2012, even though not for free but with the supplements readable, and even though the mitochondrions aren’t full tested but from 16033 to 114 and 17 SNPs, gives us many interesting information on the haplogroups of the most conservative zones of the Ladin speaking people of the Alps, linked closely to Italians.
Of course the pretension of the authors to separate who is ancient Italian like the Ladin speakers and who isn’t should be discussed by reading the paper. It is certain that in Trentino-Alto Adige there are many very ancient haplotypes of the Italian Refugium, for instance many HV, HV+16311, HV+73, HV0, HV1 and even a HV4a (16093-16221-16519), many K1, at the origin of this haplogroup (this zone was probably at the origin of the haplogroup, like I have always said, and Bryan Sykes too before me), R0a and R0a1a, not only in the Tuscan region like someone pretended recently, even an U8b1, at the origin of K etc. That the other haplogroups are ancient European is notorious.
There is also a J1b1b1 like our friend Joe Merante, thought by me of Jewish origin but from Khazars and Buryats, but, at this point, who does know?
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« Reply #1 on: March 24, 2012, 07:22:41 PM »

There is also a J1b1b1 like our friend Joe Merante, thought by me of Jewish origin but from Khazars and Buryats, but, at this point, who does know?

These are the mutations in HVRI of Joe Merante:
16069T 16126C 16145A 16261T 16311C 16519C

and these are those in the paper :

16069T 16126C 16145A 16261T 16344C 16519C

The suspect is that there has been a mistake in the paper and that 16344C is actually 16311C, because 16344C isn’t a mutation, being the rCRS, then Merante and this “Trentino” are the same.
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« Reply #2 on: March 25, 2012, 07:26:16 AM »

The suspect is that there has been a mistake in the paper and that 16344C is actually 16311C, because 16344C isn’t a mutation, being the rCRS, then Merante and this “Trentino” are the same.

Probably another mistake in the U7 sample:

16162- is probably 16166- like the four samples tested by FTDNA, all European ones, one Italian:

16166- 16309G 16318T 16519C

classified U7b*.
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