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Diana Sotela
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« on: March 15, 2012, 11:18:45 AM »

Specifically DYS455 = 8 and DYS449 = 25.  Background on my fathers dna.  He's from Costa Rica, last traced ancestor is Jose Ana Sotelo born Abt. 1780.  I have not been able to trace him out of Costa Rica yet to see if he came straight from Spain or  through another country like Nicaragua, Colombia or Caribbean.  In FTDNA and mitosearch his exact matches at 12 marker were almost all in Ireland, Wales and England.  A few in Eastern Eur.  He had no matches at 25 or 37.  His dna is also pending a deep clade test.

Also of which may be of importance.  There is an oral history among my family that we "used" to be Jewish.  It seems to be quite a secret in the family and no one likes to talk about it.  I thought Sephardic but now I'm not so sure.  I know Sotelo is listed amoung Jewish Spanish names.

PANEL 1 (1-12)
Marker    DYS393    DYS390    DYS19**    DYS391    DYS385    DYS426    DYS388    DYS439    DYS389I    DYS392    DYS389II***
Value    13    24    15    11    11-14    12    12    11    13    13    29

PANEL 2 (13-25)
Marker    DYS458    DYS459    DYS455    DYS454    DYS447    DYS437    DYS448    DYS449    DYS464
Value    16    9-10    8    11    24    15    19    25    14-15-17-17

PANEL 3 (26-37)
Marker    DYS460    Y-GATA-H4    YCAII    DYS456    DYS607    DYS576    DYS570    CDY    DYS442    DYS438
Value    11    11    19-23    15    15    18    18    36-39    12    12
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Paternal DNA- R1b1a2a1a1b R-P312-DF27+
Paternal MT DNA- A2j

Maternal Ancestor- Agnes Barnard, Leicestershire England 1535-1609
Paternal Ancestor- Mateo de Sotelo Guillen, Valladolid, Spain 1594
Paternal Maternal Ancestor- Maria Palacios Perez, Costa Rica
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« Reply #1 on: March 15, 2012, 01:59:57 PM »

DYS455=8 is found in hg. I1, but the values of your father are clearly of hg. R1b1a2-something, then I think that your father (or some of his ancestors) has had a multistep mutation from 11 to 8. It is very rare, but it happens. This will permit you to find who is close to you (to your father line).
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« Reply #2 on: March 15, 2012, 02:07:00 PM »

DYS455=8 is found in hg. I1, but the values of your father are clearly of hg. R1b1a2-something, then I think that your father (or some of his ancestors) has had a multistep mutation from 11 to 8. It is very rare, but it happens. This will permit you to find who is close to you (to your father line).

Sadly he has no matches outside of the first 12 markers.  This is 25 marker area I believe and he has 0 matches.  I'm so bummed.


Thank you for your response.
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Maternal Ancestor- Agnes Barnard, Leicestershire England 1535-1609
Paternal Ancestor- Mateo de Sotelo Guillen, Valladolid, Spain 1594
Paternal Maternal Ancestor- Maria Palacios Perez, Costa Rica
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« Reply #3 on: March 15, 2012, 02:22:01 PM »

Of course to find someone R1b1a2 with DYS455=8 will be very rare, but if you find one, certainly he is close to you (to your father).

But how many Diana-s are in this forum?
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« Reply #4 on: March 15, 2012, 02:48:21 PM »

I have no idea how Diana's are in this forum, I presume I'm the only Diana Sotela.  If that is what you meant by your question.

Did you mean something else?

I suppose I'll just have to wait until someone else turns up.  I know I have tons of male Sotela here in CA, US and Costa Rica but none of them have tested.  I'm looking for ones I don't already know about.  I was hoping to at least find someone outside of what are already know exists.

12 marker matches don't mean much is that correct?  Unless of course there are unusual results in the first 12 then it would be better?
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Paternal MT DNA- A2j

Maternal Ancestor- Agnes Barnard, Leicestershire England 1535-1609
Paternal Ancestor- Mateo de Sotelo Guillen, Valladolid, Spain 1594
Paternal Maternal Ancestor- Maria Palacios Perez, Costa Rica
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« Reply #5 on: March 15, 2012, 03:12:45 PM »

I don't know why this forum permits that many persons registered themselves with the same name. There is another Diana who is a friend of mine, and I wanted to be sure that you were another one, because your values, if you are actually tested (of course your father), are very interesting.
You should watch to a person I found on SMGF and put on ySearch (ID: 9AMV4). He is a McGuire from Ireland and has DYS455=8. There are other McGuires who have DYS455=11 (the modal) and I don't know if they are related. If this McGuire has had this mutation amongst his family, you should be related to him. But it is possible that this McGuire has nothing to do with the others, but to be an ancient DYS455=8. In this case your deep test would be interesting, and your father to be of Iberian origin, and you could have a link in the ancient Iberia, because there is a suspicion that Irish R-L21 came from Iberia. Let me know your deep test results, when you have them.  
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« Reply #6 on: March 15, 2012, 03:47:01 PM »

I don't know why this forum permits that many persons registered themselves with the same name. There is another Diana who is a friend of mine, and I wanted to be sure that you were another one, because your values, if you are actually tested (of course your father), are very interesting.
You should watch to a person I found on SMGF and put on ySearch (ID: 9AMV4). He is a McGuire from Ireland and has DYS455=8. There are other McGuires who have DYS455=11 (the modal) and I don't know if they are related. If this McGuire has had this mutation amongst his family, you should be related to him. But it is possible that this McGuire has nothing to do with the others, but to be an ancient DYS455=8. In this case your deep test would be interesting, and your father to be of Iberian origin, and you could have a link in the ancient Iberia, because there is a suspicion that Irish R-L21 came from Iberia. Let me know your deep test results, when you have them.  

Thanks I will check that file on ysearch and I will update you when I get the deep clade back.  We have no aversions to being Irish at all it's welcome thing since my dad has a deep love of All things Irish.........I wonder why?  Here is my dads ysearch ID if you want to look at it.  YBC3R Guillermo Sotela Vargas
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Paternal DNA- R1b1a2a1a1b R-P312-DF27+
Paternal MT DNA- A2j

Maternal Ancestor- Agnes Barnard, Leicestershire England 1535-1609
Paternal Ancestor- Mateo de Sotelo Guillen, Valladolid, Spain 1594
Paternal Maternal Ancestor- Maria Palacios Perez, Costa Rica
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« Reply #7 on: March 15, 2012, 03:53:09 PM »

This Forum controls "User Name" and there can only be one of any "Username".  

We haven't controlled "Display Name".  The forum settings only allow us to either force "Display Name" to be the same as "Username" or to allow the Display Name to be different.  

There are four members of this Forum who have chosen to use "Diana" as their Display Name.  They can resolve their identity problem by modifying their Display Name.  

We would have a number of unhappy members if they were forced to use their "Username" as their "Display Name"?  (In my own case, my user name is "terry" and my display name is "Terry Barton")
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« Reply #8 on: March 15, 2012, 03:53:24 PM »

That is odd - there are two users with the same exact user ID 'Diana', but they are treated as different accounts.

[Edit] Terry, I think you beat me to the punch and replied before I did.
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« Reply #9 on: March 15, 2012, 04:00:14 PM »

I changed it to Diana Sotela if that helps?

The only way to change the display name was to modify "real name" in my account prefs.
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Paternal MT DNA- A2j

Maternal Ancestor- Agnes Barnard, Leicestershire England 1535-1609
Paternal Ancestor- Mateo de Sotelo Guillen, Valladolid, Spain 1594
Paternal Maternal Ancestor- Maria Palacios Perez, Costa Rica
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« Reply #10 on: March 15, 2012, 04:44:27 PM »

Diana, I am seeing that you are named Sotela-Esposito, then your husband(?) has something to do with Italy. Esposito, i.e. "esposto", is a surname given to foundlings in the Naples area. Then certainly Esposito is from Italy.
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« Reply #11 on: March 15, 2012, 05:12:11 PM »

Yes, Esposito is my husbands name.  Sposito from Ischia Island, Italy.  Changed to Esposito when entering US, RI.  Yes we are aware of the Esposito origins of the name.  They finally made that illegal in the 1700's I believe.

My name is hyphenated the American way Sotela-Esposito

I refused to lose the Sotela name and even passed it to my son who is also Sotela-Esposito.
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Paternal DNA- R1b1a2a1a1b R-P312-DF27+
Paternal MT DNA- A2j

Maternal Ancestor- Agnes Barnard, Leicestershire England 1535-1609
Paternal Ancestor- Mateo de Sotelo Guillen, Valladolid, Spain 1594
Paternal Maternal Ancestor- Maria Palacios Perez, Costa Rica
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« Reply #12 on: March 15, 2012, 08:14:46 PM »

Great!  Thank You.  Terry
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« Reply #13 on: April 07, 2012, 07:32:45 PM »

I don't know why this forum permits that many persons registered themselves with the same name. There is another Diana who is a friend of mine, and I wanted to be sure that you were another one, because your values, if you are actually tested (of course your father), are very interesting.
You should watch to a person I found on SMGF and put on ySearch (ID: 9AMV4). He is a McGuire from Ireland and has DYS455=8. There are other McGuires who have DYS455=11 (the modal) and I don't know if they are related. If this McGuire has had this mutation amongst his family, you should be related to him. But it is possible that this McGuire has nothing to do with the others, but to be an ancient DYS455=8. In this case your deep test would be interesting, and your father to be of Iberian origin, and you could have a link in the ancient Iberia, because there is a suspicion that Irish R-L21 came from Iberia. Let me know your deep test results, when you have them.  

Ok some updates on his deep clade.  Not totally finished yet but he is

R-P312+ L226- L21- L2- L176.2-

Still awaiting results for M65 M153 U152 M126 M160 L4
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Paternal MT DNA- A2j

Maternal Ancestor- Agnes Barnard, Leicestershire England 1535-1609
Paternal Ancestor- Mateo de Sotelo Guillen, Valladolid, Spain 1594
Paternal Maternal Ancestor- Maria Palacios Perez, Costa Rica
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« Reply #14 on: April 08, 2012, 12:54:55 AM »

Ok some updates on his deep clade.  Not totally finished yet but he is

R-P312+ L226- L21- L2- L176.2-

Still awaiting results for M65 M153 U152 M126 M160 L4
Very interesting. Let's wait for the other SNPs.
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