SRY2627

[DavidCar]

I am still waiting for Z198 results, if on time I should know by 6/26.

Will keep updating.

The 26th is almost gone.  Has your due date been updated?

[Isidro]

I am still waiting for Z198 results, if on time I should know by 6/26.

Will keep updating.

The 26th is almost gone.  Has your due date been updated?

Still no results, I check everyday, there is still a chance to get results soon, I do remember it was the case once before when I ordered a la carte.

Here is my page results for pending tests:

Pending Tests
Tests  Lab Procedure    Batch    Expected      Notes
Z198    Z198            463           6/25/2012    

Do You think I should test for the 147.3  in my case?

[DavidCar]

I am still waiting for Z198 results, if on time I should know by 6/26.

Will keep updating.

The 26th is almost gone.  Has your due date been updated?

Still no results, I check everyday, there is still a chance to get results soon, I do remember it was the case once before when I ordered a la carte.

Here is my page results for pending tests:

Pending Tests
Tests  Lab Procedure    Batch    Expected      Notes
Z198    Z198            463           6/25/2012    

Do You think I should test for the 147.3  in my case?

I would email Family Tree DNA and ask them if there is a problem with your test, particularly if they don't change the "expected" date.

I wouldn't order L147.3 until your Z198 comes back, because if you're negative for Z198, you should be negative for L147.3. 

[samIsaack]

For the first time since I've gotten into this hobby, my dna group finally has a "foreign" Isaacs individual testing. His Isaacs are traced back to 1750 in Gloucestershire, England. His mdka was a Samuel Isaacs, sounds familiar,no?, So this is very interesting! He currently resides in Australia, where his family moved to back in the 1950's. Heres to hoping!!

Well, we received the results tonight and he unforunately doesn't match. Turns out they ended up matching the another Isaacs in our group of Welsh descent who matches them perfectly and  confirmed I1.

One down.. countless others to go!

[Isidro]

I am still waiting for Z198 results, if on time I should know by 6/26.

Will keep updating.

The 26th is almost gone.  Has your due date been updated?

Still no results, I check everyday, there is still a chance to get results soon, I do remember it was the case once before when I ordered a la carte.

Here is my page results for pending tests:

Pending Tests
Tests  Lab Procedure    Batch    Expected      Notes
Z198    Z198            463           6/25/2012    

Do You think I should test for the 147.3  in my case?

I would email Family Tree DNA and ask them if there is a problem with your test, particularly if they don't change the "expected" date.

I wouldn't order L147.3 until your Z198 comes back, because if you're negative for Z198, you should be negative for L147.3. 

Well, nothing has changed 8 days after the due date, no difference in expected date...I am somewhat disappointed with FTDNA about communication on the status of tests (in this case).
I will follow your advice about L143.3. You are of great help DavidCar.

[Arch Y.]

I am still waiting for Z198 results, if on time I should know by 6/26.

Will keep updating.

The 26th is almost gone.  Has your due date been updated?

Still no results, I check everyday, there is still a chance to get results soon, I do remember it was the case once before when I ordered a la carte.

Here is my page results for pending tests:

Pending Tests
Tests  Lab Procedure    Batch    Expected      Notes
Z198    Z198            463           6/25/2012    

Do You think I should test for the 147.3  in my case?

I would email Family Tree DNA and ask them if there is a problem with your test, particularly if they don't change the "expected" date.

I wouldn't order L147.3 until your Z198 comes back, because if you're negative for Z198, you should be negative for L147.3. 

Well, nothing has changed 8 days after the due date, no difference in expected date...I am somewhat disappointed with FTDNA about communication on the status of tests (in this case).
I will follow your advice about L143.3. You are of great help DavidCar.

That's disappointing. FTDNA really needs to give people who are in your position some priority; or at the very least, communicate.

Arch

[Isidro]

You are right Arch, I understand that FTDNA is sorting out pioneering testing, especially batching those new SNP's that are in between already known ones in the tree with no popular demand, business wise they have to make moola or at least not loose it. Maybe we should pay a 50% deposit...

Things seem a little stale in our branch for sure.For what I read one big fish is the elusive SNP that will classify old Iberia in it's corner of the map, DF27 has potential but is too widespread to be Iberian, at least this is how I read quite a few posts related to this issue.

[Arch Y.]

You are right Arch, I understand that FTDNA is sorting out pioneering testing, especially batching those new SNP's that are in between already known ones in the tree with no popular demand, business wise they have to make moola or at least not loose it. Maybe we should pay a 50% deposit...

Things seem a little stale in our branch for sure.For what I read one big fish is the elusive SNP that will classify old Iberia in it's corner of the map, DF27 has potential but is too widespread to be Iberian, at least this is how I read quite a few posts related to this issue

I've been in and out of the forums and was under the impression from the latest sweep of genetics testing that DF27 shows both the highest frequency and diversity in Iberia. I would really like to know what your results will be and would like to see more people in the L176.2 branch test.

Arch

[DavidCar]

You are right Arch, I understand that FTDNA is sorting out pioneering testing, especially batching those new SNP's that are in between already known ones in the tree with no popular demand, business wise they have to make moola or at least not loose it. Maybe we should pay a 50% deposit...

Things seem a little stale in our branch for sure.For what I read one big fish is the elusive SNP that will classify old Iberia in it's corner of the map, DF27 has potential but is too widespread to be Iberian, at least this is how I read quite a few posts related to this issue

I've been in and out of the forums and was under the impression from the latest sweep of genetics testing that DF27 shows both the highest frequency and diversity in Iberia. I would really like to know what your results will be and would like to see more people in the L176.2 branch test.

Arch

It appears to me that DF27 is upstream from Z196, so all L176.2+ should be DF27+

[Mikewww]

You are right Arch, I understand that FTDNA is sorting out pioneering testing, especially batching those new SNP's that are in between already known ones in the tree with no popular demand, business wise they have to make moola or at least not loose it. Maybe we should pay a 50% deposit...

Things seem a little stale in our branch for sure.For what I read one big fish is the elusive SNP that will classify old Iberia in it's corner of the map, DF27 has potential but is too widespread to be Iberian, at least this is how I read quite a few posts related to this issue

I've been in and out of the forums and was under the impression from the latest sweep of genetics testing that DF27 shows both the highest frequency and diversity in Iberia. I would really like to know what your results will be and would like to see more people in the L176.2 branch test.

Arch

The highest frequency in DF27 will no doubt be in Iberia.  Although not quite as prevalent, DF27's penetration of Iberia is akin to L21's of Ireland.

However, on diversity, I haven't seen yet that it is higher for Df27 in Iberia. Where do you see that?

[Arch Y.]

You are right Arch, I understand that FTDNA is sorting out pioneering testing, especially batching those new SNP's that are in between already known ones in the tree with no popular demand, business wise they have to make moola or at least not loose it. Maybe we should pay a 50% deposit...

Things seem a little stale in our branch for sure.For what I read one big fish is the elusive SNP that will classify old Iberia in it's corner of the map, DF27 has potential but is too widespread to be Iberian, at least this is how I read quite a few posts related to this issue

I've been in and out of the forums and was under the impression from the latest sweep of genetics testing that DF27 shows both the highest frequency and diversity in Iberia. I would really like to know what your results will be and would like to see more people in the L176.2 branch test.

Arch

The highest frequency in DF27 will no doubt be in Iberia.  Although not quite as prevalent, DF27's penetration of Iberia is akin to L21's of Ireland.

However, on diversity, I haven't seen yet that it is higher for Df27 in Iberia. Where do you see that?

I was under the impression that it was, I honestly can't find the exact posting mentioning it (higher diversity) but I do recall it being discussed.

Arch

[Richard Rocca]

I was under the impression that it was, I honestly can't find the exact posting mentioning it (higher diversity) but I do recall it being discussed.

Arch

Based on Mike's last spreadsheet, it seems to be France (as a country).

[Isidro]

I got a response from FTDNA on my test for Z198.
They have tried to run it twice without success, they are testing it as we speak for the third time and expect results in a week or two.

[Arch Y.]

I got a response from FTDNA on my test for Z198.
They have tried to run it twice without success, they are testing it as we speak for the third time and expect results in a week or two.

Good deal! Hopefully results will come out sooner since this issue has their attention.

Arch

[DavidCar]

I got a response from FTDNA on my test for Z198.
They have tried to run it twice without success, they are testing it as we speak for the third time and expect results in a week or two.

Good deal! Hopefully results will come out sooner since this issue has their attention.

Arch

Here's a strange thought.  What if, instead of Isidro being Z198+ or Z198-, he doesn't have a Z198?  Is that possible?

[DavidCar]

Another Z198+ test was posted today, making a total of 5.  I think the latest one was Miller. 

[Isidro]

I got a response from FTDNA on my test for Z198.
They have tried to run it twice without success, they are testing it as we speak for the third time and expect results in a week or two.

Good deal! Hopefully results will come out sooner since this issue has their attention.

Arch

Good wish. I do hope it comes true.
I did come across testing problems before, I was posted  positive for U106 for a few days before I got P312* when I did deep clade testing.
Then I have the unusual DYS454=12, only 3% of all haplogroups have this value.
Also as you know Arch per my autosomal of European regions  I get percentages matching my top 3 populations at a 10% higher rate than usual (both my kids have regular percentages).

Que sera sera...

[Isidro]

Testing for Z198 status is the same as reported above.

Hmmm

[DavidCar]

Testing for Z198 status is the same as reported above.

Hmmm

These are some clips from a June thread in the U106 forum talking about a similar situation:


Kidder, Kit 175525, my test for L128 has failed twice. It is being run again. It
will be a couple of weeks yet.Hoping for a good test ! Bob

Reply #1:
Re: [R1b1c_U106-S21] L128 result

A strategy that Mike Maddi employed in a similar situation was to take the bull by the horns, in a diplomatic way. He called them and suggested that perhaps they might want to send him a fresh swab kit, which they did, and shortly after he returned it, voila!

I think you should attempt this strategy.

Reply #2:
Re: [R1b1c_U106-S21] L128 result

If the test fails again consider the possibility that you have a SNP sitting where the primers are trying to do their work.....

Reply #3:

Re: L128 result

With respect to null/ambiguous SNP test results, I added a note to the DF21 Results page today about a null result for L459. Key take away is that FTDNA lists null/ambiguous results as if they were ancestral, which is very misleading.

Regards,
david

The note referred to above:

Null L459

Kit 161731 is a well tested kit that is a member of the R-DF5* clade. An L459- result was reported for that kit, which makes no sense in the context of the other testing. The end-user reported:

In regard to L459, the problem is with the way FTDNA reports null alleles. FTDNA is reporting my result as L459-, but the result was actually ambiguous, meaning there was no result. FTDNA reports these as ancestral (-), by FTDNA convention.

An ambiguous result can occur for many reasons, but after a brief discussion with Thomas, the most likely culprit is an SNP at or near the primer locus preventing it (the primer) from binding.

I believe FTDNA ran L459 for me 8 times and all failed; FTDNA will not continue to test ad infinitum as whatever the condition that exists that was preventing this segment from being read is still present, and any additional testing with the same primer will almost certainly fail as well.

Thomas Krahn verified the above on 16 July 2012 and added:

161731 has a regular haplotype without any visible deletions, therefore I'd guess it is some local point mutation that prevents the primer from binding. He is the only L459 Null I know of.

Therefore, the L459 result for kit 161731 should be regarded as a Null L459 result; it is not an ancestral L459 result.

[razyn]

Has anybody commented on the fact that Z262 is now on Thomas Krahn's draft tree?  Hovering on the little star, it appears to have been added 17 days ago.  If that's been discussed here, I missed it.

http://ytree.ftdna.com/index.php?name=Draft&parent=65388520

There was discussion earlier about trying to get it onto the ISOGG tree.  That hasn't happened yet.

[DavidCar]

Has anybody commented on the fact that Z262 is now on Thomas Krahn's draft tree?  Hovering on the little star, it appears to have been added 17 days ago.  If that's been discussed here, I missed it.

http://ytree.ftdna.com/index.php?name=Draft&parent=65388520

There was discussion earlier about trying to get it onto the ISOGG tree.  That hasn't happened yet.

I had heard that elsewhere, but it was not mentioned here.  That's at least some progress.  I also hear ISOGG just got updated, but not with Z262.

And there's another Z262+ in the group, by one of my near STR matches with no known pedigree link. 

And we've not heard from Isidro for a while, though I see there's still no Z198 result.

[DavidCar]

I am still waiting for Z198 results, if on time I should know by 6/26.

Will keep updating.

The 26th is almost gone.  Has your due date been updated?

Still no results, I check everyday, there is still a chance to get results soon, I do remember it was the case once before when I ordered a la carte.

Here is my page results for pending tests:

Pending Tests
Tests  Lab Procedure    Batch    Expected      Notes
Z198    Z198            463           6/25/2012    

Do You think I should test for the 147.3  in my case?

I would email Family Tree DNA and ask them if there is a problem with your test, particularly if they don't change the "expected" date.

I wouldn't order L147.3 until your Z198 comes back, because if you're negative for Z198, you should be negative for L147.3. 

Well, nothing has changed 8 days after the due date, no difference in expected date...I am somewhat disappointed with FTDNA about communication on the status of tests (in this case).
I will follow your advice about L147.3. You are of great help DavidCar.

Here's a thought.  If you tested for L147.3 and it came back positive, you would know that you were Z198+, but that somehow the Z198 test was inconclusive.  If the L147.3 test came back negative, or didn't produce an answer, then it wouldn't tell you as much.  Or you could save up for a Geno 2.0 test rather than take another single SNP test.

[Isidro]

Here's a thought.  If you tested for L147.3 and it came back positive, you would know that you were Z198+, but that somehow the Z198 test was inconclusive.  If the L147.3 test came back negative, or didn't produce an answer, then it wouldn't tell you as much.  Or you could save up for a Geno 2.0 test rather than take another single SNP test.

I am contemplating this Genome 2.0.   I think $30 per SNP is is more like I share a research expense more than buying a product.

It seems like after 2 months after  the due date the only thing I will hear from FTDNA is a result - or + there is no signs or updates. I am really not interested in my money back, too much hassle. They are not the only DNA testing company out there and I know from my own line of business if I don't do follow ups I will loose them as costumers.

[samIsaack]

Here's a thought.  If you tested for L147.3 and it came back positive, you would know that you were Z198+, but that somehow the Z198 test was inconclusive.  If the L147.3 test came back negative, or didn't produce an answer, then it wouldn't tell you as much.  Or you could save up for a Geno 2.0 test rather than take another single SNP test.

I am contemplating this Genome 2.0.   I think $30 per SNP is is more like I share a research expense more than buying a product.

It seems like after 2 months after  the due date the only thing I will hear from FTDNA is a result - or + there is no signs or updates. I am really not interested in my money back, too much hassle. They are not the only DNA testing company out there and I know from my own line of business if I don't do follow ups I will loose them as costumers.

I know what you mean. I've been weary of them every since it took them four months to confirm that I was infact, SRY2627 positive. They really seem to have alot of trouble with the DF27 and subclades testing. I guess since we're so similar to our brothers and cousins under P312 and the vast majority of testers are L21 Brits and Irish, we probably present somewhat of problem for them. In that we look like them, but we're not quite the same either.

I've noticed today that I match pretty closely with a few of the Roxcluster guys at the first twelve markers. I know you can't really make anything out of the first twelve markers, but it is interesting that they too belong to Z196, have Scottish ancestry and have 14 repeats at DYS392. Actually I think match with four of them total, some are Roxburghs and some are Roseberrys. I'm guessing Roseberry is some sort of off shoot of Roxburgh?

[DavidCar]

Here's a thought.  If you tested for L147.3 and it came back positive, you would know that you were Z198+, but that somehow the Z198 test was inconclusive.  If the L147.3 test came back negative, or didn't produce an answer, then it wouldn't tell you as much.  Or you could save up for a Geno 2.0 test rather than take another single SNP test.

I am contemplating this Genome 2.0.   I think $30 per SNP is is more like I share a research expense more than buying a product.

It seems like after 2 months after  the due date the only thing I will hear from FTDNA is a result - or + there is no signs or updates. I am really not interested in my money back, too much hassle. They are not the only DNA testing company out there and I know from my own line of business if I don't do follow ups I will loose them as costumers.

I believe your original kit was a Genographic 1.0 test, so you should get a $30  on the Genographic 2.0 test.  I also note you've done the 23andme test, so you already know part of what you would discover with the Geno 2.0 test.  You will be able to transfer your Geno 2.0 results to your FTDNA account, and I believe it's FTDNA that will do the actual lab work for Geno 2.0.

It would be interesting to know if there are any L176.2s or SRY2627s who have ordered Geno 2.0.  I have a U106-Z1 kit for which we ordered Geno 2.0, and I know various other Z1s who have ordered it as well, so we should find out if we discover anything new within Z1, or if our expectations are too high.  I doubt the family group sponsoring my L176.2-Z262 kit will want to do Geno 2.0.

I've never had that long of a delay with a SNP test, so I don't understand the problem with your Z198.  It appears L176.2xSRY2627 is a small group, so we may be about at the end of what we can discover there anyway, until more people take DNA tests.