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« Reply #200 on: June 13, 2012, 01:03:22 AM »

It is kind of strange that Alberti has such a close connection with so many SRY2627 guys.. Even though he is a DYS490=10 guy, I'm still fairly close with a Gd of 17 to him.

Maybe he's missing link for the 490 split?
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« Reply #201 on: June 13, 2012, 01:41:57 AM »

It is kind of strange that Alberti has such a close connection with so many SRY2627 guys.. Even though he is a DYS490=10 guy, I'm still fairly close with a Gd of 17 to him.

Maybe he's missing link for the 490 split?

That is strange!  Your GD is basically the same as mine then and you're in the other group!  If Alberti is not the missing link, then he must be at least a few links down the chain from it.  But I was really hoping to be the missing link :-(

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« Reply #202 on: June 14, 2012, 03:12:51 AM »

Assuming the numbers are correct in the Pyrenean region of Catalonia, Haute Garonne, Bearn, northern Aragon, it doesn't seem like SRY2627 would be a newcomer to such a vast area and yet being such a small subclade.  

It's really perplexing because most of where SRY2627 is found is in mountainous regions of continental Europe and mainly from the Pyrenees.  The geographical barriers are much greater across this region rather than having rapid access by sea lanes.  I'm a firm believer that the oceans or seas unite people, while land and rivers divide them.

It's not like the hotspot of Val d'Aran at 48% is that far away from any of the areas with percentages that average around 18-20%.  I would think this percentage would be phenomenal for any large subclade, but for a small one it should be "amazing" and for 48% near those "amazing" numbers it should be "Eureka!"

I guess the other part I find puzzling is how such a hot spot (Val d'Aran) smack dab in the midst of other high frequency areas could end up with such a low diversity. I understand it's remote, but not really that remote.  I would find areas such as Val d'Benasque, Valle de Cardos, and other regions in the Catalan and Aragonese Pyrenees even more remote but the SRY2627 numbers consistently yield some consistently high percentages study after study.

The high percentages in Bearn I thought were unique on the basis that Bearnese is a Gascon dialect that is still surviving, just like Aranese is.  What are the odds that SRY2627 is mostly Occitan/Gascon, as well Catalan? Catalan is more closely related to Occitan than it is to Spanish.  Why is SRY2627 primarily found in the Catalan, Occitan and Gascon speaking regions?  Would founder effect really affect such a large area from a small subclade?

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« Reply #203 on: June 15, 2012, 03:32:39 PM »

Since Mike has created a new DF27 account at Ysearch, I figured I'd give it a go.. I'm at a Gd of 11 at 67 markers, the account has 96 markers total. Anyone else compared themselves?
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« Reply #204 on: June 15, 2012, 07:14:27 PM »

Assuming the numbers are correct in the Pyrenean region of Catalonia, Haute Garonne, Bearn, northern Aragon, it doesn't seem like SRY2627 would be a newcomer to such a vast area and yet being such a small subclade.  

It's really perplexing because most of where SRY2627 is found is in mountainous regions of continental Europe and mainly from the Pyrenees.  The geographical barriers are much greater across this region rather than having rapid access by sea lanes.  I'm a firm believer that the oceans or seas unite people, while land and rivers divide them.

It's not like the hotspot of Val d'Aran at 48% is that far away from any of the areas with percentages that average around 18-20%.  I would think this percentage would be phenomenal for any large subclade, but for a small one it should be "amazing" and for 48% near those "amazing" numbers it should be "Eureka!"

I guess the other part I find puzzling is how such a hot spot (Val d'Aran) smack dab in the midst of other high frequency areas could end up with such a low diversity. I understand it's remote, but not really that remote.  I would find areas such as Val d'Benasque, Valle de Cardos, and other regions in the Catalan and Aragonese Pyrenees even more remote but the SRY2627 numbers consistently yield some consistently high percentages study after study.

The high percentages in Bearn I thought were unique on the basis that Bearnese is a Gascon dialect that is still surviving, just like Aranese is.  What are the odds that SRY2627 is mostly Occitan/Gascon, as well Catalan? Catalan is more closely related to Occitan than it is to Spanish.  Why is SRY2627 primarily found in the Catalan, Occitan and Gascon speaking regions?  Would founder effect really affect such a large area from a small subclade?

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The high frequency and low variance in the Val d'Aran is likely the effect of one male's descendants achieving dominance in the region.  This would not be unusual especially in a sparsely populated area with a low influx of new residents.

I do think that there is merit to the possible link between SRY2627 and Occitan dialects though!
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« Reply #205 on: June 17, 2012, 10:06:13 PM »

Assuming the numbers are correct in the Pyrenean region of Catalonia, Haute Garonne, Bearn, northern Aragon, it doesn't seem like SRY2627 would be a newcomer to such a vast area and yet being such a small subclade.  

It's really perplexing because most of where SRY2627 is found is in mountainous regions of continental Europe and mainly from the Pyrenees.  The geographical barriers are much greater across this region rather than having rapid access by sea lanes.  I'm a firm believer that the oceans or seas unite people, while land and rivers divide them.

It's not like the hotspot of Val d'Aran at 48% is that far away from any of the areas with percentages that average around 18-20%.  I would think this percentage would be phenomenal for any large subclade, but for a small one it should be "amazing" and for 48% near those "amazing" numbers it should be "Eureka!"

I guess the other part I find puzzling is how such a hot spot (Val d'Aran) smack dab in the midst of other high frequency areas could end up with such a low diversity. I understand it's remote, but not really that remote.  I would find areas such as Val d'Benasque, Valle de Cardos, and other regions in the Catalan and Aragonese Pyrenees even more remote but the SRY2627 numbers consistently yield some consistently high percentages study after study.

The high percentages in Bearn I thought were unique on the basis that Bearnese is a Gascon dialect that is still surviving, just like Aranese is.  What are the odds that SRY2627 is mostly Occitan/Gascon, as well Catalan? Catalan is more closely related to Occitan than it is to Spanish.  Why is SRY2627 primarily found in the Catalan, Occitan and Gascon speaking regions?  Would founder effect really affect such a large area from a small subclade?

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The high frequency and low variance in the Val d'Aran is likely the effect of one male's descendants achieving dominance in the region.  This would not be unusual especially in a sparsely populated area with a low influx of new residents.

I do think that there is merit to the possible link between SRY2627 and Occitan dialects though!

Val d'Aran's population has shifted between highs and lows that I can account for back to the early 1600s. Matter of fact, its population a few thousand souls higher around the early 1940s than it is today due to the changing economy. Being such a strategic valley going as far back to Pompey around 80 BCE, the valley must have seen a surge in Roman and Celtiberian populations during the Sertorian Wars.

However, the single dominating male must be somebody pretty important and extremely fertile because not only did he have a lot of offspring in Val d'Aran, but pretty much the rest of the Central to Eastern Pyrenees. What a stud! In all seriousness, a person of modest means does not get to produce a lot of offspring within such a short period of time. Otherwise, who is gonna feed 'em? SRY2627 is not that old and the frequencies for this subclade in my opinion are alarmingly large around the Central and Eastern Pyrenees.

When I look at R-M222 and its high frequency in Northern Ireland, its percentages were just as high as SRY2627's for the Girona region. It seems like everybody without a doubt in their mind touted R-M222 as the putative Northern Irish marker. However, SRY2627 does not receive that kind of treatment in this forum, only in the research journals. It's really hard to appreciate if the amateur geneticist is correct because there's nothing written in an organized paper showing a thesis and conclusion, as well no peer review. All we get is just a bunch of sniping back and forth. One person's opinion against another, but it would be nice to have a paper so that the rest of academia can have visibility of the claims.

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« Reply #206 on: June 17, 2012, 10:12:56 PM »

Since Mike has created a new DF27 account at Ysearch, I figured I'd give it a go.. I'm at a Gd of 11 at 67 markers, the account has 96 markers total. Anyone else compared themselves?

No, I haven't tried. Will give it a shot!

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« Reply #207 on: June 18, 2012, 09:17:37 AM »

Another L176.2 kit has new results, Z198+ and Z262-.  Again, this makes Isidro's continued lack of a Z198 result look conspicuous.

I am still waiting for results on Z198.I don't know what it will mean to me either way...
I haven't been able to understand where it will seat. I wonder what is it's relation with L165 if there is any.

Will post result right away, it is an old Genographic spit so maybe is time for fresh samples.

Kit#170048 with Z198+/L165+ proves L165 is below Z198.

I'm guessing you're Z198-, which would prove that L176.2 is above Z198, and that your DNA split off earlier from the path to SRY2627 than some of the other kits.  

I'm also wondering if kit#171839 which is Z262- also ordered Z198 the same time you and I did, and also does not have a result.  He is L147.3+, which in that scenario would mean you might also be positive for L147.3.  

That's just a guess, which I'm waiting to be proven or disproven


Thanks for taking the time to explain what you know about Z198.

Let's see if I got it:
 Z262 sits between L176.2 and SRY2627
Z198 position is unknown but all points that is sitting between L176.2 and L165.

There is a chance I might be Z198+, but that chance is weak I am basing it solely on my 37 STR's GD.Of all 3 groups:L176.2, SRY2627 and L165 my GD is quite closer to L165.

I can't wait to get the results. L147.3 might be my next test, I just want Z198 cleared either way.


I'm not an expert in STRs, but if yours are closer to L165, then you should have an excellent chance of being Z198+.  But then why hasn't the result come back yet?

All the evidence so far is that Z198 is in exactly the same position on the tree as L176.2, which is why it would be interesting if your test came back negative.  

Do we have more SNP tests pending for L176.2+ SRY2627-  and SRY2627+ people?

I think that all L176.2+ SRY2627- people should test for markers parallel to or upstream of SRY2627.  This would include L165, Z262, Z198 and L147.3.

I think that all SRY2627+ people should test for potential downstream SNPs of L276, L628 and L629.

Do I have the positioning right?
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« Reply #208 on: June 18, 2012, 12:02:00 PM »


Do we have more SNP tests pending for L176.2+ SRY2627-  and SRY2627+ people?

I think that all L176.2+ SRY2627- people should test for markers parallel to or upstream of SRY2627.  This would include L165, Z262, Z198 and L147.3.

I think that all SRY2627+ people should test for potential downstream SNPs of L276, L628 and L629.

Do I have the positioning right?

I think this is where we're at:

If Z198 is below L176.2, then you've got one of these two situations:


Z196

Z196/Z274

Z196/L176

Z196/L176/L147.3   <--- This case is true if a L147.3+ kit comes back Z198-
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Z196/L176/Z198

Z196/L176/Z198/Z262

Z196/L176/Z198/Z262/SRY

Z196/L176/Z198/L165

// UPDATE:  The above case is now ruled out, so we're left with the following two cases.


Z196

Z196/Z274

Z196/L176

Z196/L176/Z198

Z196/L176/Z198/L147.3

Z196/L176/Z198/Z262

Z196/L176/Z198/Z262/SRY

Z196/L176/Z198/L165

If Z198 is above L176.2, then you've got this situation, and people who are Z196+/Z274-/L176.2- should test for Z198


Z196

Z196/Z274

Z196/Z198

Z196/Z198/L176

Z196/Z198/L176/L147.3

Z196/Z198/L176/Z262

Z196/Z198/L176/Z262/SRY

Z196/Z198/L176/L165
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« Reply #209 on: June 18, 2012, 01:29:35 PM »

I am still waiting for Z198 results, if on time I should know by 6/26.

I made a GD with Mikeww's DF27 (53ZBP). I am at 13 GD based on 37 markers.

My GD with all L176.2, I get a GD of 15 with 1 Spaniard, 2 Irish and 1  Portuguese.

My GD with SRY2627 (W. Europe), I get a GD of 10 with  France, GD of 12 with 2 France and 1 Portugalia.

My GD with L165, I get a GD of 13 with 2 Scotland and a GD of 14 also from Scotland.

My matches with SRY2627 are closer but there are many mire entries on Y search for this clade so it is possible that this GD with such an uneven quantity of people might show a GD Variance similar to seing the face of Elvis on a pizza.

Will keep updating.


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« Reply #210 on: June 18, 2012, 02:54:17 PM »

If Z198 is below L176.2....

I thought we already knew that L176.2 was below L176.2.  Are there any L176.2+ guys that are Z198- ?  Do we know the Z198 status from either of our two SRY2627 WTY folks?
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« Reply #211 on: June 18, 2012, 04:56:34 PM »

If Z198 is below L176.2....

I thought we already knew that Z198 was below L176.2.  Are there any L176.2+ guys that are Z198- ?  Do we know the Z198 status from either of our two SRY2627 WTY folks?

No such case anywhere that I'm aware of.
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« Reply #212 on: June 19, 2012, 12:23:00 PM »

Since Mike has created a new DF27 account at Ysearch, I figured I'd give it a go.. I'm at a Gd of 11 at 67 markers, the account has 96 markers total. Anyone else compared themselves?

I'm 25 GD at 95 markers tested against DF27 modal.

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« Reply #213 on: June 19, 2012, 12:25:22 PM »

Since Mike has created a new DF27 account at Ysearch, I figured I'd give it a go.. I'm at a Gd of 11 at 67 markers, the account has 96 markers total. Anyone else compared themselves?

I'm 25 GD at 95 markers tested against DF27 modal.

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I'm also 17 GD at 67 markers tested against SRY2627 modal.

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« Reply #214 on: June 19, 2012, 12:45:04 PM »

Since Mike has created a new DF27 account at Ysearch, I figured I'd give it a go.. I'm at a Gd of 11 at 67 markers, the account has 96 markers total. Anyone else compared themselves?

I'm 25 GD at 95 markers tested against DF27 modal.

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I'm also 17 GD at 67 markers tested against SRY2627 modal.

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I'm also 25 GD at 95 markers tested against Z196 modal.

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« Reply #215 on: June 19, 2012, 12:49:24 PM »

Since Mike has created a new DF27 account at Ysearch, I figured I'd give it a go.. I'm at a Gd of 11 at 67 markers, the account has 96 markers total. Anyone else compared themselves?

I'm 25 GD at 95 markers tested against DF27 modal.

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I'm also 17 GD at 67 markers tested against SRY2627 modal.

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I'm also 25 GD at 95 markers tested against Z196 modal.

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I'm also 23 GD at 73 markers tested against S28/U152 modal.

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« Reply #216 on: June 19, 2012, 12:57:33 PM »

I am still waiting for Z198 results, if on time I should know by 6/26.

I made a GD with Mikeww's DF27 (53ZBP). I am at 13 GD based on 37 markers.

My GD with all L176.2, I get a GD of 15 with 1 Spaniard, 2 Irish and 1  Portuguese.

My GD with SRY2627 (W. Europe), I get a GD of 10 with  France, GD of 12 with 2 France and 1 Portugalia.

My GD with L165, I get a GD of 13 with 2 Scotland and a GD of 14 also from Scotland.

My matches with SRY2627 are closer but there are many mire entries on Y search for this clade so it is possible that this GD with such an uneven quantity of people might show a GD Variance similar to seing the face of Elvis on a pizza.

Will keep updating.




I know what you mean about Ysearch, there are some duplicates but I usually take all of them out of the calculation, except for one. I also do not count anything less than 67 markers and as always I prefer 90 markers or higher. Unfortunately, not a whole lot of us have reached that many markers. I'm guessing after 111 markers that GDs will not change much. The resolution from 37 to 67 STR markers however appears to make a significant difference in GD calculations.

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« Reply #217 on: June 23, 2012, 07:31:32 PM »


Do we have more SNP tests pending for L176.2+ SRY2627-  and SRY2627+ people?

I think that all L176.2+ SRY2627- people should test for markers parallel to or upstream of SRY2627.  This would include L165, Z262, Z198 and L147.3.

I think that all SRY2627+ people should test for potential downstream SNPs of L276, L628 and L629.

Do I have the positioning right?

I think this is where we're at:

If Z198 is below L176.2, then you've got one of these two situations:


Z196

Z196/Z274

Z196/L176

Z196/L176/L147.3   <--- This case is true if a L147.3+ kit comes back Z198-
 (NOPE, +)
Z196/L176/Z198

Z196/L176/Z198/Z262

Z196/L176/Z198/Z262/SRY

Z196/L176/Z198/L165

// UPDATE:  The above case is now ruled out, so we're left with the following two cases.


Z196

Z196/Z274

Z196/L176

Z196/L176/Z198

Z196/L176/Z198/L147.3

Z196/L176/Z198/Z262

Z196/L176/Z198/Z262/SRY

Z196/L176/Z198/L165

If Z198 is above L176.2, then you've got this situation, and people who are Z196+/Z274-/L176.2- should test for Z198


Z196

Z196/Z274

Z196/Z198

Z196/Z198/L176

Z196/Z198/L176/L147.3

Z196/Z198/L176/Z262

Z196/Z198/L176/Z262/SRY

Z196/Z198/L176/L165

If Z198 is below L176.2....

I thought we already knew that L176.2 was below L176.2.  Are there any L176.2+ guys that are Z198- ?  Do we know the Z198 status from either of our two SRY2627 WTY folks?

I am L176.2+ SRY2627- L165- and was advised of the availability of testing for Z262 by an admin. The result isn't expected until 7/30. I was not informed of the existence of Z198 and it is not mentioned in the project. I see David said that it is not known "if Z198 is above or below L176.2" at http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/R-P312Project/message/4427

I see L147.3 mentioned in 2010 but I don't see it in the ISOGG 2012. Why is that?

Is there a page that explains the current subclades and SNPs being investigated between L176.2 and SRY2627? Which lab does the Z stand for? Which lab does L stand for? I am willing to test for Z198 and L147.3 but I want to know that I am not wasting money before I spend it.
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« Reply #218 on: June 24, 2012, 12:50:10 AM »


I am L176.2+ SRY2627- L165- and was advised of the availability of testing for Z262 by an admin. The result isn't expected until 7/30. I was not informed of the existence of Z198 and it is not mentioned in the project. I see David said that it is not known "if Z198 is above or below L176.2" at http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/R-P312Project/message/4427

I see L147.3 mentioned in 2010 but I don't see it in the ISOGG 2012. Why is that?

Is there a page that explains the current subclades and SNPs being investigated between L176.2 and SRY2627? Which lab does the Z stand for? Which lab does L stand for? I am willing to test for Z198 and L147.3 but I want to know that I am not wasting money before I spend it.

Z262 is your best choice at the moment.  For some reason I'm the only Z262 test that has come back positive except for the SRY2627+ case that proves that all such cases are Z262+.  I've heard there should be a bunch of Z262 tests done over the next month.  I expect they need an explicitly SRY2627- case to come back positive for Z262 before they would consider putting it on ISOGG.

If you come back Z262-, then you could try L147.3 if you like.  Somewhere, probably in this thread, there is the explanation that it is not on ISOGG because it appears in several distinct places and is therefore considered unstable.  But it is clear that there are both positive and negative cases of L147.3 under L176.2.

Every L176.2+ kit that has tested Z198 has come back positive, except for Isidro whose test still hasn't come back yet, but is supposed to be back by the 26th of June.  Eventually it should become clear if it is above or below Z176.2.

There is this chart which is about a year old:

http://www.u152.org/images/stories/Draft_P312_Tree_v005.png

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« Reply #219 on: June 24, 2012, 04:26:17 PM »


I am L176.2+ SRY2627- L165- and was advised of the availability of testing for Z262 by an admin. The result isn't expected until 7/30. I was not informed of the existence of Z198 and it is not mentioned in the project. I see David said that it is not known "if Z198 is above or below L176.2" at http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/R-P312Project/message/4427

I see L147.3 mentioned in 2010 but I don't see it in the ISOGG 2012. Why is that?

Is there a page that explains the current subclades and SNPs being investigated between L176.2 and SRY2627? Which lab does the Z stand for? Which lab does L stand for? I am willing to test for Z198 and L147.3 but I want to know that I am not wasting money before I spend it.

Z262 is your best choice at the moment.  For some reason I'm the only Z262 test that has come back positive except for the SRY2627+ case that proves that all such cases are Z262+.  I've heard there should be a bunch of Z262 tests done over the next month.  I expect they need an explicitly SRY2627- case to come back positive for Z262 before they would consider putting it on ISOGG.

If you come back Z262-, then you could try L147.3 if you like.  Somewhere, probably in this thread, there is the explanation that it is not on ISOGG because it appears in several distinct places and is therefore considered unstable.  But it is clear that there are both positive and negative cases of L147.3 under L176.2.

Every L176.2+ kit that has tested Z198 has come back positive, except for Isidro whose test still hasn't come back yet, but is supposed to be back by the 26th of June.  Eventually it should become clear if it is above or below Z176.2.

There is this chart which is about a year old:

http://www.u152.org/images/stories/Draft_P312_Tree_v005.png



I found your post where you said you are presumed SRY2627-. Is there a reason you haven’t tested that? I see 131195 Larabee is SRY2627- L165- as Z262+. Has he tested or is that presumed? It looks like there are now two SRY2627- L165- Z262+.

The kits under group H kits N22555, 171839, and N23705 don’t mention if they tested for SRY2627 or if they are presumed negative or positive. Does anyone here know if they are presumed negative or positive for SRY2627?



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« Reply #220 on: June 25, 2012, 02:24:55 AM »


I am L176.2+ SRY2627- L165- and was advised of the availability of testing for Z262 by an admin. The result isn't expected until 7/30. I was not informed of the existence of Z198 and it is not mentioned in the project. I see David said that it is not known "if Z198 is above or below L176.2" at http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/R-P312Project/message/4427

I see L147.3 mentioned in 2010 but I don't see it in the ISOGG 2012. Why is that?

Is there a page that explains the current subclades and SNPs being investigated between L176.2 and SRY2627? Which lab does the Z stand for? Which lab does L stand for? I am willing to test for Z198 and L147.3 but I want to know that I am not wasting money before I spend it.

Z262 is your best choice at the moment.  For some reason I'm the only Z262 test that has come back positive except for the SRY2627+ case that proves that all such cases are Z262+.  I've heard there should be a bunch of Z262 tests done over the next month.  I expect they need an explicitly SRY2627- case to come back positive for Z262 before they would consider putting it on ISOGG.

If you come back Z262-, then you could try L147.3 if you like.  Somewhere, probably in this thread, there is the explanation that it is not on ISOGG because it appears in several distinct places and is therefore considered unstable.  But it is clear that there are both positive and negative cases of L147.3 under L176.2.

Every L176.2+ kit that has tested Z198 has come back positive, except for Isidro whose test still hasn't come back yet, but is supposed to be back by the 26th of June.  Eventually it should become clear if it is above or below Z176.2.

There is this chart which is about a year old:

http://www.u152.org/images/stories/Draft_P312_Tree_v005.png



I found your post where you said you are presumed SRY2627-. Is there a reason you haven’t tested that? I see 131195 Larabee is SRY2627- L165- as Z262+. Has he tested or is that presumed? It looks like there are now two SRY2627- L165- Z262+.

The kits under group H kits N22555, 171839, and N23705 don’t mention if they tested for SRY2627 or if they are presumed negative or positive. Does anyone here know if they are presumed negative or positive for SRY2627?


I'm not aware Larabee has tested Z262.  Since I'm a 66/67 match with him, I presume I'm SRY2627- and he's Z262+.  Soon after he got his L176.2 result, I tested and confirmed my L176.2, and thought my testing SRY2627 would be a waste of money.

I look at the SNP page, rather than the way kits are grouped on the "classic" page.  There it becomes clear exactly who has test results for what.

http://www.familytreedna.com/public/R1b1c6/default.aspx?section=ysnp
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« Reply #221 on: June 25, 2012, 05:21:43 PM »

You and Larabee having a 66/67 match explains why they have you have as SRY2627- and him as Z262+. There is no need for both of you to test for those SNP's since they are thousands of years old and your MRCA ancestor likely lived one thousand or fewer years ago.

Comparing the SNP page also helps with the chart. Group H is also SRY2627- They are the few that have tested positive for L147.3.

It all makes sense now. Thanks for the replies.
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« Reply #222 on: June 25, 2012, 09:02:59 PM »

About 7 new Z262 results came in today.  One new positive and six new negatives.  The positive case has tested SRY2627-, so that should prove what is necessary to put Z262 into ISOGG.

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« Reply #223 on: June 25, 2012, 09:41:29 PM »

About 7 new Z262 results came in today.  One new positive and six new negatives.  The positive case has tested SRY2627-, so that should prove what is necessary to put Z262 into ISOGG.



What are the ethnic backgrounds for these results?
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« Reply #224 on: June 25, 2012, 10:56:09 PM »

About 7 new Z262 results came in today.  One new positive and six new negatives.  The positive case has tested SRY2627-, so that should prove what is necessary to put Z262 into ISOGG.


What are the ethnic backgrounds for these results?

That's unclear.  I can prove my DNA trail to New York just before 1800, but I've got a non-paternal event sometime in the prior 100 years.  The new result is Brooks, who also goes back to around 1800 in New York, but we're not close enough to be related there and then.  All the SRY2627s are Z262+, so they count into the geography as well.  The other few kits to whom I have a strong STR relationship have only done one test, so I'm not completely confident in their pedigrees.  

Update:  Looks like there are about 5 L176.2 Brooks kits in their project going back to Massachusetts, Delaware and New York, and Vermont.

Update:  Another new Z262 on June 26th.  Sturges, origin UK.
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