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alan trowel hands.
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« on: March 05, 2012, 06:36:06 PM »

I believe Ken N has been given a life ban.  A thread asking why was closed.  Anyone know what is going on there?  IMO the site is in decline anyway and in a very outdated format but kicking Ken (who OK he is not always mr Nice) is going to make it barely worth looking at IMO.  It will be the death of that list.
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« Reply #1 on: March 05, 2012, 07:03:32 PM »

It's not unusual for top posters to get banished.  It happens at 23andme and DNA Rootsweb.

The moderator posted her email to discuss privately.  I suggest you contact her.
http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/read/GENEALOGY-DNA/2012-03/1330879035
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« Reply #2 on: March 05, 2012, 11:15:14 PM »

I believe Ken N has been given a life ban.  A thread asking why was closed.  Anyone know what is going on there?  IMO the site is in decline anyway and in a very outdated format but kicking Ken (who OK he is not always mr Nice) is going to make it barely worth looking at IMO.  It will be the death of that list.

To be honest, I glossed over the conversation that apparently offended the moderator. I went back and looked and all I can figure out is the reference to "shove it."  Oh well.
http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/read/GENEALOGY-DNA/2012-02/1329784902

It's too bad. We need need Ken to post somewhere. Every now and then we can get him going in a learning type conversation... which is invaluable for the rest of us.
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« Reply #3 on: March 06, 2012, 04:36:20 PM »

I don't know if the banishment was justified or not, but Ken's comments were the only reason why I ever read DNA-Rootsweb.
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« Reply #4 on: March 06, 2012, 05:46:46 PM »

Didn't I read where the moderator went back into January's posts and re-read some of the discussions and made a decision base on what she found rhere?
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« Reply #5 on: March 06, 2012, 08:21:59 PM »

I don't know if the banishment was justified or not, but Ken's comments were the only reason why I ever read DNA-Rootsweb.

Same here. He helped me in the past and is an all-round nice guy in my book, not to mention brilliant.

Banning him for life, if that is what was done, was a huge mistake, but maybe the mod wants to kill that list.
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« Reply #6 on: March 10, 2012, 02:47:16 AM »

Richard, do you want a lot of people on this forum?  With Rootsweb losing some key folks and DNA-Forums being hard or impossible to access, we have a gap in general R1b forum support.

On Yahoo Groups there are pretty good sized L21, P312 and U106 groups plus a few misc others (i.e. 1113, StephensHooper, 464X/L159/Beatty/Burns) so I set up a  R1b forum.

http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/R1b-YDNA/

... but I was thinking, perhaps you want more volume over here.  Let me know.
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« Reply #7 on: March 10, 2012, 09:16:24 AM »

Richard, do you want a lot of people on this forum?  With Rootsweb losing some key folks and DNA-Forums being hard or impossible to access, we have a gap in general R1b forum support.

On Yahoo Groups there are pretty good sized L21, P312 and U106 groups plus a few misc others (i.e. 1113, StephensHooper, 464X/L159/Beatty/Burns) so I set up a  R1b forum.

http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/R1b-YDNA/

... but I was thinking, perhaps you want more volume over here.  Let me know.

Honestly, not really. I like the low key nature of this forum the way it is. I shudder to think of the dna-forums or Rootsweb crowds moving in here.

On the other hand, I don't want to turn people away either.
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« Reply #8 on: March 10, 2012, 12:04:06 PM »

Richard, do you want a lot of people on this forum?  With Rootsweb losing some key folks and DNA-Forums being hard or impossible to access, we have a gap in general R1b forum support.

On Yahoo Groups there are pretty good sized L21, P312 and U106 groups plus a few misc others (i.e. 1113, StephensHooper, 464X/L159/Beatty/Burns) so I set up a  R1b forum.

http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/R1b-YDNA/

... but I was thinking, perhaps you want more volume over here.  Let me know.

Honestly, not really. I like the low key nature of this forum the way it is. I shudder to think of the dna-forums or Rootsweb crowds moving in here.

On the other hand, I don't want to turn people away either.
Okay. I'll set up the other one for the masses. 

You might invite Ken N over here. Is there an Hg I forum on this worldfamilies.net?  Someone needs to set one up if there isn't.
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« Reply #9 on: March 10, 2012, 03:07:29 PM »

Richard, do you want a lot of people on this forum?  With Rootsweb losing some key folks and DNA-Forums being hard or impossible to access, we have a gap in general R1b forum support.

On Yahoo Groups there are pretty good sized L21, P312 and U106 groups plus a few misc others (i.e. 1113, StephensHooper, 464X/L159/Beatty/Burns) so I set up a  R1b forum.

http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/R1b-YDNA/

... but I was thinking, perhaps you want more volume over here.  Let me know.

Honestly, not really. I like the low key nature of this forum the way it is. I shudder to think of the dna-forums or Rootsweb crowds moving in here.

On the other hand, I don't want to turn people away either.

Low key? Is that why my registration email hasn't been sent?
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« Reply #10 on: March 10, 2012, 03:43:41 PM »

Richard, do you want a lot of people on this forum?  With Rootsweb losing some key folks and DNA-Forums being hard or impossible to access, we have a gap in general R1b forum support.

On Yahoo Groups there are pretty good sized L21, P312 and U106 groups plus a few misc others (i.e. 1113, StephensHooper, 464X/L159/Beatty/Burns) so I set up a  R1b forum.

http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/R1b-YDNA/

... but I was thinking, perhaps you want more volume over here.  Let me know.

Honestly, not really. I like the low key nature of this forum the way it is. I shudder to think of the dna-forums or Rootsweb crowds moving in here.

On the other hand, I don't want to turn people away either.

The DNA Forum has been down for about a week. The vast majority of people who participate there would be a valuable addition to this forum. There are only a very few who sometimes can be very difficult. I doubt most of the latter would be likely to join here.
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« Reply #11 on: March 10, 2012, 06:50:36 PM »

Richard, do you want a lot of people on this forum?  With Rootsweb losing some key folks and DNA-Forums being hard or impossible to access, we have a gap in general R1b forum support.

On Yahoo Groups there are pretty good sized L21, P312 and U106 groups plus a few misc others (i.e. 1113, StephensHooper, 464X/L159/Beatty/Burns) so I set up a  R1b forum.

http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/R1b-YDNA/

... but I was thinking, perhaps you want more volume over here.  Let me know.

Honestly, not really. I like the low key nature of this forum the way it is. I shudder to think of the dna-forums or Rootsweb crowds moving in here.

On the other hand, I don't want to turn people away either.

Low key? Is that why my registration email hasn't been sent?

I have nothing to do with that end of things.

Yeah, I like it here. And I like it low key.
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« Reply #12 on: March 10, 2012, 06:54:02 PM »

Richard, do you want a lot of people on this forum?  With Rootsweb losing some key folks and DNA-Forums being hard or impossible to access, we have a gap in general R1b forum support.

On Yahoo Groups there are pretty good sized L21, P312 and U106 groups plus a few misc others (i.e. 1113, StephensHooper, 464X/L159/Beatty/Burns) so I set up a  R1b forum.

http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/R1b-YDNA/

... but I was thinking, perhaps you want more volume over here.  Let me know.

Honestly, not really. I like the low key nature of this forum the way it is. I shudder to think of the dna-forums or Rootsweb crowds moving in here.

On the other hand, I don't want to turn people away either.

The DNA Forum has been down for about a week. The vast majority of people who participate there would be a valuable addition to this forum. There are only a very few who sometimes can be very difficult. I doubt most of the latter would be likely to join here.

The vast majority won't be the problem. It's no secret I don't like dna-forums, although I usually try to avoid talking about that place.

When I was last there, there was a sizable contingent of pains in the butt I would rather not see here. If they start showing up, I'm gone.
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« Reply #13 on: March 10, 2012, 07:25:56 PM »

Richard, do you want a lot of people on this forum?  With Rootsweb losing some key folks and DNA-Forums being hard or impossible to access, we have a gap in general R1b forum support.

On Yahoo Groups there are pretty good sized L21, P312 and U106 groups plus a few misc others (i.e. 1113, StephensHooper, 464X/L159/Beatty/Burns) so I set up a  R1b forum.

http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/R1b-YDNA/

... but I was thinking, perhaps you want more volume over here.  Let me know.

Honestly, not really. I like the low key nature of this forum the way it is. I shudder to think of the dna-forums or Rootsweb crowds moving in here.

On the other hand, I don't want to turn people away either.
Okay. I'll set up the other one for the masses. 

You might invite Ken N over here. Is there an Hg I forum on this worldfamilies.net?  Someone needs to set one up if there isn't.


I sent Ken an email inviting him here and pointing out that Terry just created a y hap I forum. He probably won't come, but who knows?
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« Reply #14 on: March 10, 2012, 07:54:33 PM »

I have got to say I feel rootsweb has really ben going downhill for a long time.  It was probably the first place many of us were involved in this hobby but its glory days seem well behind it.  As for DNA forums, it does have a lot of good discussions but there are a number of hotheads there and every so often it is the angry forum.  It seems to me that its almost impossible to get banned there and too much bad behaviour is tolerated.  It would be nice if the good guys did find a home here.   
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« Reply #15 on: March 10, 2012, 08:21:23 PM »

Rich has done a great job as Moderator of the "R1b and Subclades" Board we have been pleased to host.  I think there may have been a handful of minor issues, but he has handled most of them - and apparently handled them very well.  I think I have had to step in only once or twice.
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« Reply #16 on: March 11, 2012, 10:44:55 AM »

Our biggest problem is the spammers who occasionally pop up trying to sell us all V*i*a*g*r*a  or handbags . . . or whatever. ;-)
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« Reply #17 on: March 11, 2012, 11:39:46 AM »

This forum is not without banishing. i was recently banned for 7 days for making
"silly posts"...with a threat to make it permanent.

I don't know if comments like "shove-it" will be acceptable here. Perhaps in this forum it depends who you are?
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« Reply #18 on: March 14, 2012, 01:36:58 PM »

Richard, do you want a lot of people on this forum?  With Rootsweb losing some key folks and DNA-Forums being hard or impossible to access, we have a gap in general R1b forum support.

On Yahoo Groups there are pretty good sized L21, P312 and U106 groups plus a few misc others (i.e. 1113, StephensHooper, 464X/L159/Beatty/Burns) so I set up a  R1b forum.

http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/R1b-YDNA/

... but I was thinking, perhaps you want more volume over here.  Let me know.

Honestly, not really. I like the low key nature of this forum the way it is. I shudder to think of the dna-forums or Rootsweb crowds moving in here.

On the other hand, I don't want to turn people away either.

Low key? Is that why my registration email hasn't been sent?

I have nothing to do with that end of things.

Yeah, I like it here. And I like it low key.

I didn't mean to say that someone was personally keeping me from registering. Just that sense this place is low key, that maybe my request wasn't noticed. I finally got the registration email and am now able to log on and off.

At any rate I'm just glad there is finally a new secure location for us Dna-forums refugees.
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« Reply #19 on: March 14, 2012, 07:16:23 PM »

We're glad you're here.

The folks who have come over so far seem fine.
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« Reply #20 on: March 19, 2012, 02:11:48 AM »

I suspected that banishment was coming. It's most unfortunate as Ken has helped me with my results, he's been nothing but helpful and resourceful. He's truly a fount of knowledge. I know he gets grumpy, we all get that way. Perhaps the moderator needed to "cool down" in retrospect. Oh well! Their loss.

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« Reply #21 on: March 22, 2012, 08:00:20 PM »

I noticed with Ken and apparently so many others gone, Dr. Klyosov has a free field for his "The Proto-Indo-Europeans were all R1a" postings.
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« Reply #22 on: March 23, 2012, 12:21:09 AM »

I noticed with Ken and apparently so many others gone, Dr. Klyosov has a free field for his "The Proto-Indo-Europeans were all R1a" postings.
I'm not quite up to argue all of that yet.... too busy just getting the data together.  I've got a ton of L21 haplotypes now.  We have over 800 111 STR haplotypes for L21 people. You can't complain about bikini haplotypes, etc., at least not from our consumer-driven DNA projects.



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« Reply #23 on: March 23, 2012, 10:43:01 AM »

Those who want to keep up with Ken need look no further than Rootsweb Y-DNA-HAPLOGROUP-I-L. He has not been banned from Rootsweb - only from the GENEALOGY-DNA-L mailgroup. His latest tree of I can be found at Tree and Map for Haplogroup I.

[Added] Just had a message from Ken saying that he wasn't banned from  GENEALOGY-DNA-L. He just quit when he went on vacation and then didn't re-join.

As for alternative forums: so far at least three have sprung up to offer refuge for those missing the defunct DNA Forums:
  • The Molgen owner has created an English-language forum that reproduces the layout of DNA Forums and so is instantly familiar.
  • Saud snapped up http://www.dna-forum.net/ , which has the virtue of independence.
  • Warwick had presciently created a fall-back at Zetaboards last year. It is closed (i.e. cannot be read without registering), and is not currently geared to mass use. Warwick has been pointing people to Molgen.
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« Reply #24 on: March 23, 2012, 06:49:49 PM »

I got an email from Ken today also telling me he wasn't banned from Rootsweb, so I can second Jean's post above.
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