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Maliclavelli
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« on: January 25, 2012, 10:13:48 AM »

This writes Kartveli on Dna-forums:

"I ran all the L389+ haplotypes from the R1b1(xP297) DNA Project through the McGee utility and made a tree with PHYLYP. Now I know, building phylogenetic trees is a complicated process and this can't be very trustworthy, but still I wanted to share the result: [see Dna-forums]
Does this make any sense?"

I’d say that this Georgian is very close to R-M335 more than any other subclade, but he should be tested just for this SNP. You know that my theory is that the subclades of R1b1* (the European and most diffused ones) descend from the Italian ones: see DeMeo but also Mangino (actually the Tuscan Mancini).

P.S. Anyway the R-M335 known have YCAII=18-23, and Javakhishvili has 21-23, then he could belong to another subclade of R1b1* and have nothing to do with the European haplotypes.


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« Reply #1 on: January 25, 2012, 10:38:25 AM »

But this diagram of Kartveli demonstrates also how useless is this McGee utility and the tree-PHYLYP, just because they treat the markers values without considering my golden principles: mutations around the modal, convergence to the modal as time passes, some mutations go for the tangent. It is clear for me that R1b1-A2 and R-M335 descend from the same haplotype which generated the European R-M269* (probably with YCAII=18-23) and have nothing to do with the others. Then if Javakhishvili were actually R-M335 my theory should be reconsidered.
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« Reply #2 on: September 03, 2012, 05:00:46 PM »

216826 Javakhishvili Kaikhosro Javakhishvili, b.c. 15??, Georgia R1b1 R-P25 M18-, M269-, M335-, M343+, M73-, P25+, P297-, V88-
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