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« on: January 03, 2012, 10:58:18 AM »

Due to a recent upgrade to 67 markers, we just found a new 1511-A-T2 STR signature person. This is more commonly known as Irish Type II/South Irish.

f210257    Matrois(Nakskov) Denmark, Region Sjælland, Lolland, Nakskov

The vast majority of these people are from Ireland, concentrated mostly in Munster, but here are the continental members to go along with Matrois:

f47514    Ballard    R-L21    France, Lorraine, Meurthe-et-Moselle
f2842    Cohen    R-L21    Poland
f110245    Reininger    Germany, Baden-Württemberg, Stuttgart

As I said, most of these folks are from Munster. There is a southwestern Ireland bent here as there are actually more 1511-A-T2 people in England than in Leinster.

I wish we could find an SNP for these guys.  Any thoughts on how they ended up in Munster?
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« Reply #1 on: January 03, 2012, 02:09:47 PM »

Due to a recent upgrade to 67 markers, we just found a new 1511-A-T2 STR signature person. This is more commonly known as Irish Type II/South Irish.

f210257    Matrois(Nakskov) Denmark, Region Sjælland, Lolland, Nakskov

The vast majority of these people are from Ireland, concentrated mostly in Munster, but here are the continental members to go along with Matrois:

f47514    Ballard    R-L21    France, Lorraine, Meurthe-et-Moselle
f2842    Cohen    R-L21    Poland
f110245    Reininger    Germany, Baden-Württemberg, Stuttgart

As I said, most of these folks are from Munster. There is a southwestern Ireland bent here as there are actually more 1511-A-T2 people in England than in Leinster.

I wish we could find an SNP for these guys.  Any thoughts on how they ended up in Munster?

According to a recent post by Vince Tilroe on DNA-Forums if FTDNA get there new hugely extended WTY up and running it's going to be offered free to previous WTY strikes.

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Thomas Krahn has stated [slide 21] that past WTY testees who struck out for new SNPs would get a free ride once the new Roche 454 process is ready for prime time. Of course, this would likely apply to most of those who have already participated (and were funded) through the R-P312-WTY Project.

I not sure that I read it as clearly saying this but I hope so, the chance of new SNP turning up under this new test are going to be massively increased !!
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« Reply #2 on: January 03, 2012, 07:40:51 PM »

 

Maybe Scandinavians.. Perhaps before, or from the Norman or Viking periods.

(Just my guess.)
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« Reply #3 on: January 05, 2012, 08:31:06 AM »

Due to a recent upgrade to 67 markers, we just found a new 1511-A-T2 STR signature person. This is more commonly known as Irish Type II/South Irish.

f210257    Matrois(Nakskov) Denmark, Region Sjælland, Lolland, Nakskov

The vast majority of these people are from Ireland, concentrated mostly in Munster, but here are the continental members to go along with Matrois:

f47514    Ballard    R-L21    France, Lorraine, Meurthe-et-Moselle
f2842    Cohen    R-L21    Poland
f110245    Reininger    Germany, Baden-Württemberg, Stuttgart

As I said, most of these folks are from Munster. There is a southwestern Ireland bent here as there are actually more 1511-A-T2 people in England than in Leinster.

I wish we could find an SNP for these guys.  Any thoughts on how they ended up in Munster?
Have any of the "1511-A-T2" ("Irish Type II/South Irish") cluster tested for L744, L745, L746? I see the "746-STU" Stewart group have the same 465=15 and 565=11 modal markers and are positive for L744, L745 and L746.
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« Reply #4 on: January 09, 2012, 10:58:06 AM »

Due to a recent upgrade to 67 markers, we just found a new 1511-A-T2 STR signature person. This is more commonly known as Irish Type II/South Irish.

f210257    Matrois(Nakskov) Denmark, Region Sjælland, Lolland, Nakskov

The vast majority of these people are from Ireland, concentrated mostly in Munster, but here are the continental members to go along with Matrois:

f47514    Ballard    R-L21    France, Lorraine, Meurthe-et-Moselle
f2842    Cohen    R-L21    Poland
f110245    Reininger    Germany, Baden-Württemberg, Stuttgart

As I said, most of these folks are from Munster. There is a southwestern Ireland bent here as there are actually more 1511-A-T2 people in England than in Leinster.

I wish we could find an SNP for these guys.  Any thoughts on how they ended up in Munster?

which of the new SNPs has Irish II tested negative for?

I have to say with all the new SNPs seemingly showing Irish L21 subclades are only distantly related, you have to ask yourself, does this indicate multiple phases of settlement of L21 in Ireland and that in turn begs the question 'why were all the major founders of clades and clusters in Ireland L21 people?  It would seem to me that all the main external launch points towards Ireland must have been very L21-rich.  That does fit the modern pattern of western Britain and NW France.  It also may indicate that Ireland's external relations were overwhelmingly with those areas.  
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« Reply #5 on: January 10, 2012, 08:00:17 AM »

Does anyone know if the L746 SNP has been tested for in other L21 subclades, or is it just a "family" SNP defining the "746-STU" group?
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« Reply #6 on: January 10, 2012, 01:42:23 PM »

Does anyone know if the L746 SNP has been tested for in other L21 subclades, or is it just a "family" SNP defining the "746-STU" group?
I think so, but I don't know which. You can go to the R-L21 Plus Project Y DNA SNP report screen and do a search (Ctrl-F) for "L746-" and see what comes up.
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