About K3

[Maliclavelli]

Ian, of course everyone of us, seeing those data, has thought to a K3.
The problem is that probably we'll discover K4 K5 K6 etc.
What was important to me, when yesterday I compared NA18539 with my
HQ176413, was that we have in common all the mutations till K in your
spreadsheet and from there I have had 10 mutations and the Chinese has
had 15, and probably they haven't counted those around 309 etc. (see
the paper), but by your comparing with this Armenian it seems they
weren't.
This contrasts with the few occurrence of this haplogroup in China.
Probably then it has come from some other place, where this haplogroup
is more diffused and has had more meioses. I was surprised when I see
its diffusion in Afghanistan, but I don't know anything of them.
But where has this haplogroup had its origin? Coming from U8b/K, I
would think to Europe, then a K* migrated to Middle East many
thousands of years ago, like HV4, R0a and all the other haplogroups I
think having demonstrated was born here.

Gioiello

[Maliclavelli]

Like the same Hurst says, GU069324, having the mutations 16093C,
16148T, 16153A, 150T, 195C, 235G and 560T, but not 7657C, 8188G,
9852T,14212C is K3 and our Chinese would become K4 (and who knows how
many intermediate ones will be).
The expansion to East could be that around 15000 YBP about which spoke
Malyarchuk in his papers, I do mean from Western Europe to East, and
perhaps you know I have supported from many years also that of
R1a/M420 and of course my R1b1, my haplogroup and my bet. Like this
Chinese paper has demonstrated, the expansion was the cause of the
Neolithic transition and not the consequence.

You can say to me if U8a and b are above all European or not. Probably
we should reconsider the Franco-Cantabrian Refugium before my Younger
Dryas Refugium in Italy I have supposed.

Gioiello

[Maliclavelli]

Yes, of course GU069324 hasn't been tested for the coding region, and, having a match in HVRI and II, probably it will be also there.
Anyway, if the Oriental K belonged all to K3, this would be a point in favour of the Western origin of this haplogroup, but we must see at the Endicott paper and to the line which brought to Oetzi, and at this point he could be of recent Caucasian origin, both for his Y and for his mt.