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OConnor
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« on: September 20, 2011, 10:04:37 AM »

It seems someone can tell you about your Irish dna connections.

How reliable do you think this is?

http://www.irishorigenes.com/help
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« Reply #1 on: October 06, 2011, 08:07:40 PM »

I actually got an email from Dr. Bowes, the creator of that web site, today. He wrote me (I didn't write him) because I am one of the admins of the Stephens/Stevens Y-DNA Project. He described his service to me and pointed out that Stephens/Stevens is also a frequent surname in Ireland. Dr. Bowes asked me to pass the word about his service along to our project members.

Of course, since our project is an FTDNA project, and FTDNA frowns on bulk emails advertizing the services of other companies, there won't be much I can do in that regard.
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« Reply #2 on: October 07, 2011, 09:04:46 AM »

It just makes me wonder how he can group people in clans.

I didn't think that was all figured out.
I had an initial suspicion of a money grab from desperate genealogists wanting to connect with a clan.
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« Reply #3 on: October 07, 2011, 02:37:54 PM »

I think it's geared to attract Irish Americans (Canadian/Aussie) who are new to genetic genealogy and have been out of Irleand since the Famine years and beyond.

It will grab a few of those and maybe in the long run they will become more informed and add to L21 and other research.
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« Reply #4 on: October 09, 2011, 08:11:07 AM »

It is geared for Ireland, and it has a yearly fee

Membership $39.99
Access to all databases; which includes >4,500 Surnames of Ireland distribution maps, 32  Native Irish County Clan Maps, 32 Norman Family County maps, Viking and Gallowglass Ireland maps costs $39.99 for 1 years unlimited access.
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The demonstrated ethnicity maps were interesting. The Viking Map shows concentrations  in the s/e, but surnames are quite spread across all of Ireland.
http://www.irishorigenes.com/content/ethnicity-maps

The Gallowglass Map shows concentrations in the north half of Ireland. Could the main concentration of M222 have spread to Ireland from Scotland this way?
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« Reply #5 on: October 09, 2011, 04:32:44 PM »

I don't know anything about this man but as far as I know you can't equate family  names with genes because the practice of  'fostering and taking the 'foster family's' name. I've heard it claimed that the practice went on in the middle ages (post  Norman) and even far more recent.
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« Reply #6 on: October 09, 2011, 04:39:39 PM »

rms2 I've heard that there were Stevens that were 'Ulster Scots' who emigrated to the U.S. about the time of Wolfe Tone this might be worth you pursuing  (even if only to rule it out) need any help just ask. I live in Ireland so... 
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« Reply #7 on: October 09, 2011, 06:22:04 PM »

rms2 I've heard that there were Stevens that were 'Ulster Scots' who emigrated to the U.S. about the time of Wolfe Tone this might be worth you pursuing  (even if only to rule it out) need any help just ask. I live in Ireland so... 

Thanks.

Most of my matches either come from the West Midlands of England or from Wales, or have surnames that come from those areas, but I do have one 33/37 match from Scotland. I know "Ulster Scots" often included English and Welsh, as well. Here in the U.S. they are known as "Scots Irish".

Thanks for the offer of help. I will certainly take you up on it if the opportunity arises.
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