Status of R-M269xL11 / ht35 SNPs L277, L584, and L150 ???

[Mikewww]

I've heard that ISOGG may remove some of these SNPs from the official tree. Are these SNPs useful?

The Ht35 project lists categories for L277, L584 and L405 but not L150. I think L150+ L51- folks are extremely rare. Is that the reason there is no L150* category?

L584 is the SNP that has a relationship with L405 at a location that is reportedly triallelic. I think that is why there is an L405+ category, because they have to be L584-. Does anyone have additional insight on this?

Are there any problems with the stability of L277, L584 or L150?

[Maliclavelli]

I have discussed many times and for many years about this SNP (L150): the unique who got it was the Italian Romitti, and it was for me one of the proof in favour of an Italian refugium of R1b. But it seemed that that SNP wasn't reliable, so said its opposer, Vincent Vizachero.

[Mikewww]

I haven't gotten much feedback on all of this.

I think that from a practical standpoint of having enough haplotypes to do any kind of statistical analysis I'll have to consider R-L23* as anything that is L23+  L11-. We can look at any individual and try to discern something from that, but I'm efforts are along the lines of finding information about populations, not individuals.