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Maliclavelli
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« on: August 14, 2011, 05:41:52 AM »

But does nobody speak about the 1000 Genomes project and Tuscany?
I have found the first 61 Tuscans tested and partitioned by SNPs: 50 out 61 (NA20538 has been characterized as R-Z67 by Rocca&Magoon 2011).
25 R = 50%
15 J = 30%
4 E = 8%
3 T = 6%
1 G = 2%
1 I = 2%
1 K = 2%
About the R-s and above all R-U152 I have already spoken on this site: 3 out 4 of the whole 1000 Genomes Project are the R-U152s*, the most ancient, and everything speaks of an Italian origin of this haplogroup. It is true that Tuscany gets a prevalence of the probably DYS 492=14, probably the most ancient, but this does mean simply that this haplogroup, born in Italy, migrated to North and partly returned to Italy like L2* etc.
Very important is that Tuscany gets 2 R-M207* (4%), the most ancient R, and we know that here there are all the subclades (for instance the R1b1a2 of my cousin and my R1b1a2a etc.). There are 5 R-P312* (10%), and also 2 R-U106 (4%) and 2 R-M417 (4%), and some of these last could be recent (Middle Ages) migrations.
Interesting they are the 15 J (=30%), but so differentiated that probably they are here from many thousands of years:
4 J-L26+ (8%)
2 J-L27+ (4%)
2 J-L283+ (4%)
2 J-L398+ (4%)
2 J-L282+ (4%)
1 J-L267+ (2%)
1 J-L70+ (2%)
1 J-L227+ (2%)

We have 1 I (2%), 1 G (2%) and 1 K (2%). 3 T (6%): (2 L208+ and 1 L131+) are amongst the most ancient of this haplogroup. But we have also 4 E (8%), and are 3 M96+ and 1 P150+, i.e. at the origin of this haplogroup.

Is anyone thinking to an “Out of Tuscany”?

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« Reply #1 on: August 15, 2011, 11:00:30 AM »

Something deeper about Tuscan J. Apart 1 J-L267+ (one of the most ancient J1-s wandering in the ancient world before someone of them generated its subclades probably around the Black Sea) there are 14 Tuscan J2-s out of 50 Y-s, i.e. 28% of the whole Tuscan population.
6 of them (4 J-L26+ and 2 J-L27+) are at the origin, probably those which entered Tuscany. What is noteworthy is that L26 and L27 are found mostly together, but in Tuscany they are split.
We can hypothesize that the other Tuscan J-s are local descendants of 1 J-L26/L27+:
1)   J-L227+ (but we should find in Tuscany J-M67+)
2)   J-L70+ (but we should find in Tuscany J-L25+) and J-L398+, thought Jewish or Mediterranean, could be Tuscan at the origin
3)   J-L282+ and J-L283+ (but we should find in Tuscany J-M241+).

My hypothesis is rational. We cannot think that the 30% of Tuscans is due to recent immigration, and less that it is for the 50% of R.
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