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 on: July 08, 2015, 10:53:48 AM 
Started by Valeri Jean Shafer - Last post by Valeri Jean Shafer
Hi, there!  Hoping despite Ogden being in my maternal line, someone may be able to help/add info.

John Ogden m Jane Bond (my (9th AND 10th GG, depending on which line you follow.)
Mary Ogden m John Woodruff, Sr.
(Mary's brother) Benjamin Ogden, m Hannah Woodruff (his niece)
Phoebe Ogden m Abraham Hatfield, Sr.

Confusing, I know, but I descend from John "the Pilgrim" Ogden and Jane Bond twice!  To further confuse, Mary's brother, Benjamin, married her daughter, Hannah.  So, Uncle and Niece married and continued my line via their daughter, Phoebe, who married into Hatfield/Melijn line. 

Has anyone any information to this tree?  Any connection?

 on: July 08, 2015, 10:24:01 AM 
Started by Valeri Jean Shafer - Last post by Valeri Jean Shafer
Hi, there!  Hatfield is my MATERNAL line, but I am hoping to still find help.  Many people are claiming that my line connects with the Hatfield/McCoy line, but I do not see how this is possible.  My line, as I believe it to be, is below:

Matthias Hatfield m Mariken Melijn (father was Cornelius Melijn, Patroon of Staten Island via DWI Co.)
Abraham Hatfield, Sr. m Phoebe Ogden
Abraham Hatfield, Jr. m Margaret Winans*
David Hatfield, Sr. m Susanna Clark
David Hatfield, Jr. m1 Sarah Ross m2 Rachael Crane
Mary Hatfield m Benjamin PERRY
David Perry m Anna Maria Wilson
Oliver Hazard Perry m Margaret Roe
Lillian May Perry m Andrew ATTLESEY
Mildred Margaret Attlesey m Rayond VALLETTE
Barbara Vallette m David SHAFER
Valeri Jean Shafer (me)

*Here's my question--Many people say Abraham Hatfield and Margaret Winans somehow emigrated from Rahway, NJ to Virginia and began a Hatfield (of Hatfield/McCoy infamy) line.  I have NO evidence of this.  Can anyone confirm or deny with DNA certainty that they do not connect?

Finally, anyone who has any additional info or corrections, kindly contact!
Happy researching!

 on: July 06, 2015, 05:44:54 PM 
Started by Dave Pitts - Last post by acordon
Silas Pitts; b 1786 d. 1859
Francis Marion Pitts b. 1833  d. ?
Thomas Henry Pitts b. 1855 d.1933
James Marion Pitts b. 1883 d. 1949

 on: July 06, 2015, 01:20:08 PM 
Started by Karl M Thacker - Last post by Karl M Thacker
Things have changed slightly with my testing now at 67 markers. I am down to a single Swift, several Sanders, and now variations on Girard/Gerard/Garard, as well as a Dorey and Garnett. However, my profile still closes matches the Swift R1b Lineage 1 profile.

If anyone has any information or theories on Swift-Sanders, I'd love to hear it.

Distance   Full Name   Most Distant Ancestor
3   Mr. Alan K Swift   Swift
3   Ms. Charla Murphy - Sanders   William Sanders d. 1803
4   Mr. Carl William Knuckles IV   N/A
4   Lisa Walker   William Sanders, d. 1803
4   David Spencer Sanders   William Sanders, d. 1803
4   Mr. Glen Sanders   William Sanders, d. 1803
5   Steven William Knuckles   N/A
6   Mr. Roy F. Girard   Elias Gerard b. 23 JUL 1732, Long Island, NY
6   Mr. J. Gerard   (FFRMA ) Rev John Garard b abt 1720 d 1787 VA/WV
6   William Garard   Rev. John Garard b.abt 1720, d.19 Aug 1787, VA
6   Michael Alan Dorey   Nicholas Dorey, 1809-1891
6   Doug GARNETT   N/A

 on: July 06, 2015, 07:12:23 AM 
Started by Maliclavelli - Last post by Maliclavelli
Now a certain R-M335 in Italy, of course not recognized, in the "Italy FTDNA Project":

343611  Salvatore Gasbarro b 1908 d 2004 Italy R-M173    
13    24    15    10    13-14    12    12    11    13    13    30    15    9-10    11    11    26    14    20    34    12-15-15-15    11    10    18-23    14    16    17    19    36-37    13    11                                                                                                                                       

 on: July 05, 2015, 03:40:30 PM 
Started by SmartAdmin - Last post by Mary Epps Ellingwood
Hiram Smart b 1798 TN or NC m Sidney Brandon Carson
Lawson Henderson Smart b 1832 Rutherford Co NC m Emily Sperse Warlick
Lawson Henderson Smart b 1869 Golden Valley NC m Mary Jane Tallulah Burrell or Ward

Thank you.

Submitted by Mary Epps Ellingwood

 on: June 30, 2015, 06:00:00 PM 
Started by mikechilds54 - Last post by mikechilds54
I am new on the Forum, and perhaps I do not even know what I don't know.  So be patient with me please, and I would appreciate any help.

On the Childs Y-DNA Chart, I match under Haplogroup I Linage I.  I notice that several under Haplogroup I Linage I list Walter Chiles as their oldest known ancestor.  Across the top line of that grouping on the chart is listed DNA numbers.  I assume that is, as best determined so far, the probable Y-DNA numbers of the Patriarch of Haplogroup I Linage I.  Is that correct?  Is that probably Walter Chiles, or is that assuming far too much?

I do not want to misuse this information, or assume too much from it.  I would appreciate any advice or information.

Thank you very much.

 mikechilds54 AT

 on: June 29, 2015, 08:57:59 PM 
Started by Kevan Crawford - Last post by argusy
You have to wait a while.
I submitted mine more than two years ago.
It's still not there

 on: June 29, 2015, 08:48:58 PM 
Started by argusy - Last post by argusy
I've traced my family back to a Christopher Crawforth circa 1525 in Lincolnshire. I've Googled "Crawforth", but all responses end up on a "Crawford" description, which is of Scots origin ("Crawforth"  is replaced by "Crawford" on several of the heraldry/name sites, but exactly the same description for both names). 
Does anyone know if the names Crawforth (or Crawforthe) have a different meaning from the Scots versions?  The name seems to predate the migration of Crawford families out of Scotland in the 17th century.

Durham, Yorkshire and Northumberland appear to be the same - there are a lot of Crawforths in the late 16th/early 17th century, becoming Crawford by the 18th, though there's some research that indicates Crauford/Crawford/Crawfurd families drifted down from Scotland to Northumberland.

Now here's an idea - maybe Crawforth families fled to Scotland in the 10th century, fleeing invaders. Demographics could support that, due to the huge number of Crawforths that existed in the 16th century in the above four English counties, compared to the Crawford population in the whole of Scotland, let alone Lanarkshire/Renfrewshire. Population flow north instead of south?

Could the name be referring to crows near an English creek instead?

It's just a thought...... (yeah, I know, go back to my corner.....)

 on: June 29, 2015, 06:39:53 PM 
Started by Kevan Crawford - Last post by Sharon23
Could someone please add this to the Patriarch page.  I have tried to do it myself, always a dead link.  I've contacted 3 different people to no avail.  It seems you used to transfer them from here...has that practice stopped?



Kit # 413803

James Crawford, b.  abt. 1700 Ulster Plantation, Ireland - m. Mary Wilkin
Joseph Crawford, b. 1734 in Orange County, New York - m. Catherine Nelson
Joseph Crawford, b. 1761 in Dutchess County, New York - m. Margaret Shankland
William Crawford, b. 1800 in Delaware County, New York - m. Laura ?
James Crawford, b. 1835 in Delaware County, New York - m. Eliza Louise Robinson
George Brinton Crawford, b. 1868 in Delaware County, New York - m. Lucy M. Hess
Fred Brinton Crawford, b. 1892 in Delaware County, New York - m. Lula Mae Lindsley

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