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 on: August 20, 2016, 12:02:32 PM 
Started by Joseph G. Kunkel - Last post by Joseph G. Kunkel
My Grandfather, Gregory Kunkel, born in 1879, immigrated from Germany to Brooklyn NY in 1883 or 1886 perhaps from the Spessart Mt region of Germany (Franconia). That would make him 4 or 7 years old on arrival.  He became a printer/type setter for the Brooklyn Standard Union as of 1914.  His son, my father, was one of 9 brothers and two sisters.    We have no record of his parents arrival in the USA.  I have deposited my DNA analysis allele file with the Kunkle list and would like to try working with records to find any other relatives who emmigrated in the same event.

 on: August 20, 2016, 09:24:30 AM 
Started by Maliclavelli - Last post by Maliclavelli
When I wrote many years ago that at the origin of the "Balkan cluster" of R-L23 could be Italian Risso!
R-Y10789 BY611/A1777/Y10789 * Y18958 3900 ybp, TMRCA CI 95% 3900 2300 ybp" class="age" formed 4800 ybp, TMRCA 3000 ybp info
⦁   id:ERS256992 ITA [IT-CA]
⦁   id:YF01929 ESP [ES-A]
R-Y23373 Y23374 * Y23375 * Y23373 2300 ybp, TMRCA CI 95% 3700 2000 ybp" formed 3000 ybp, TMRCA 2800 ybp ⦁   info
⦁   id:YF06082
R-Z2705 Z2705/CTS883 2000 ybp, TMRCA CI 95% 1550 500 ybp" class="age" formed 2800 ybp, TMRCA 900 ybp ⦁   info
⦁   id:YF06331
⦁   id:YF02716 Благоевград BGR [BG-01]
Now YFull has put a Sardinian of the Francalacci et al. test at the origin with an Iberian.
"Argiedude found an Albanian cluster that Ciulla, an Italian Arberesh who belongs to it, has characterized so: "My Y-DNA line is Arberesh, part of the R1b Albanian/Balkans cluster ( key values at FTDNA`s 25 marker level are: DYS385a/b= 11-11, DYS459a= 8 and DYS464a/b/c/d similar to 14-16-16-17 )".

I have found an Italian sample who could belong to the same cluster, but with more ancientness: the Albanian cluster is in fact very young. See Risso from Genova (Italy) (Ysearch EK3WY) with DYS393=14, DYS390=23, DYS385=11-11, DYS464=15-16-16-17, DYS461=10.

Between Risso and Ciulla there is a TMRCA at about 2125-2550 YBP". June 02, 2010, 01:08:29 AM

 on: August 20, 2016, 09:06:11 AM 
Started by Michael Tyler - Last post by Michael Tyler
A number of years ago Rebecca Tyler Allen published a genealogy of the Tyler family in which she made some assertions regarding John Tyler, second son of Henry Tyler the immigrant to the current Williamsburg area in the Virginia Colony. Her work indicates John Tyler left Hanover County for Chowan, North Carolina. My research indicates John Tyler of Hanover County, Virginia did not leave the Virginia colony and in fact a separate John Tyler family was residing in the Chowan area simultaneously.

Subsequent yDNA test results reveal the North Carolina Tyler clan is not related to the Tyler line from Henry Tyler. The question remains regarding to origin of John Tyler of Chowan.

Another researcher postulated the "Chowan" John Tyler may have emigrated from the eastern shore of Maryland, due to closeness of yDNA tests and that both the "Chowan" John Tyler and some of the "Maryland" Tyler men are identified as “builders.”

While looking for land patent information for some colonial Virginia families, I came across an entry in Cavaliers and Pioneers; an Abstract of Virginia Land Patents and Grants, 1623-1666, Patent Book No. 5, page 501. On that page is the patent of Geo. Catchmaid, dated April 1, 1663, containing 3333 acres, for the importing 67 persons. The patent is located in modern Perquimans County, North Carolina, and one of the persons imported was Jno. Tyler.

According to an article online at, George Catchmaid established a plantation on his land grant. (

Perquimans County, North Carolina is adjacent Chowan County, North Carolina.

While there is no direct proof that John Tyler was indentured to George Catchmaid and subsequently worked to establish the plantation, the proximity to the area that became Chowan makes one wonder if this is the origin of the “Chowan” Tyler family.

 on: August 20, 2016, 07:07:17 AM 
Started by Terry Barton - Last post by Brousse
Also I know it has been shot down many times as far as a connection with the Pictone tribe of SW France and the Picish people but they both share a common hard to overlook fact  both groups had a navy

 on: August 20, 2016, 06:59:10 AM 
Started by Terry Barton - Last post by Brousse
Hello all it's been awhile  I still believe if our origins started in France we maybe what was left of the Pictone and Santone tribes that controlled the Bay of Biscay. Both of these tribes were sea fairing tribes that no doubt traded with tribes in England and else where. The Santones even built a fleet of ships for the Romans for the conquest of England so they must have been advanced ship builders. And given the location of these tribes enabled them to trade in many areas and no doubt people got off the boat and stayed in some cases IMO

 on: August 19, 2016, 04:15:05 PM 
Started by John Pond - Last post by John Pond
I am starting to do the research on the three results we have that match descent from John Pond in Virginia. Hopefully I can tie them together and give us a base to build on!

 on: August 19, 2016, 01:32:47 AM 
Started by Arthur C. Barker - Last post by Arthur C. Barker
Family Tree DNA has just introduced a 58th SNP Pack at the customary introductory price of $99.00.  Except for the R1b-M343 Backbone SNP Pack, all of the others now cost $119.00.  The new SNP Pack, R1b-Z2185, is an advanced one, out from one of the multitudinous sub-branches of R-DF13, the one caused by the SNP mutation R-ZZ10_1.  As far as I can tell from the Kits that have done any SNP testing, this new SNP Pack would not be of any use for any of our Members.

 on: August 14, 2016, 09:09:51 PM 
Started by Jeff Harp - Last post by Jeff Harp
Hello Everyone,

Let's get some communication going on this site and get it doing something for us all again.  I've been updating the FTDNA page and trying to get it as accurate as possible.  I haven't had much luck updating this page because I really don't know how to do html.  If any of you are good at it and want to help update the page or maybe just teach me what to do, we could all use the help.

I heard from Ken Harp and from Ron Holley by email.  They are a couple of good guys and I enjoyed talking with them.  Let's all get talking and helping each other on this forum.  It's what we have to talk with.  I also see some of you are still testing in the background.  Let'st discuss some of that so that others here can learn what they need to do to make this a more helpful place for them.

Who wants to get their research rolling again?  What do you want to accomplish?  I've done all the testing that FTDNA has for me to do.  I can tell you what helped me the most and what didn't.  You started this research for a reason.  Some of you may have become disappointed when you couldn't use the data you got back.  I can either help you with it or put you in contact with people who can.  Remember when you first tested and were excited at the prospect of what you might find.  It really can help with just a little guidance.

Please, post some messages.  Let's list our goals.  I'll bet we share a lot of the same goals and we can help each other.  Some of you who have been here a long time may have already talked this out years ago, but I don't see anything listed on the forum that would indicate that.  Are you looking for near relatives, distant cousins, surname origin and history, ancient migrations, or anything else?  Let's get out and search.  The people won't come to you.  We have to go looking for them.  Very few people actively search beyond their first test and then they sit and wait for the computer to find their matches.  It rarely works out for them.  But, the testing can work if you are the one searching.  Be the person who looks.  Be someone who talks with others and finds someone to test.  I will gladly test any male Harp for the FGC51008 SNP who doesn't know that they are something else and I will pay for the testing.  This is my SNP that we found through Big Y testing.  If you have the Harp surname and you test positive for FGC51008 then we are related and in the same line somewhere along the way and you can help define more of the line for the rest of us to understand.  The test will only cost me about $20 per person because I did the other testing to let me know what to test next on other people.

Come on everyone, let's get talking and get information out there so we can get this thing rolling again.  I don't know why this project was orphaned in the first place, but let's get past all of that and get to work again.  This project has the opportunity to do what few others have done before.  We can define every branch of the Harp surname.  We really can.  We are of a good number of people to do that.  If we all do our part we can eventually know where every Harp in the United States fits in the Harp tree.  You don't have to pay for all those tests.  Most people would risk a little money to find out where they sit.  We can test for S588 and FGC51008 and find out a lot right there.  I know there are other Harp members right here that are U106 and FGC51008 is under U106.  So let's get to talking here and finding whatever it was we were looking for when we started. :)

 on: August 14, 2016, 07:10:34 PM 
Started by Staff15 - Last post by Staff15
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 on: August 14, 2016, 07:09:28 PM 
Started by Staff15 - Last post by Staff15
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