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 on: April 23, 2016, 03:30:59 PM 
Started by jeffrey sechrist - Last post by Gil

I received an email from Jevette about this and your message clarifys the situation you are in a little better.  According to Family Tree DNA you have a genetic distance of 7 from the Lusk line in America.  Your original father would have been part of the line that arrived in Philadelphia shortly after 1700.  This line later split in southern Virginia with some going to Ohio and Tenn. and some going to the Carolinas and then to Miss. and other south and southwestern states such as Texas.  In the 1930's my family was deeply rooted in the area of Abilene and Ovaca as farmers.   A genetic distance of seven would place our common ancestor sometime in the period of 1780 to 1850.  The Philadelphia line is shown on the y-charts associated with Joseph Lusk born about 1660 in Belfast, Ulster, Northern Ireland.  I am not an expert in all this so someone might want to add or delete in response to this but have been at it for a long time.  Hope this helps and I will send the same response to Jevette.

Gil Lusk

 on: April 22, 2016, 03:04:24 PM 
Started by Arthur C. Barker - Last post by Arthur C. Barker
As of 22 April 2016, the Balance in the Project's General Fund was:


If you would like to contribute to the Fund, please do so by visiting the following page:

Thank you.

 on: April 22, 2016, 02:34:50 PM 
Started by mcclurera - Last post by mcclurera
The sale runs Apr 21-26.
SNP packs $109.
BigY $460.
Bob McClure

 on: April 22, 2016, 12:42:30 PM 
Started by Arthur C. Barker - Last post by Arthur C. Barker
There are 138 SNPs tested in the M343 Backbone SNP Pack.  125 of these are shown in Family Tree DNA's yDNA Haplotree and 13 have not yet been placed.  I have mapped all 125 SNPs that have been located currently onto a R1b tree diagram on an Excel spreadsheet and listed the other 13 at the bottom.
This is by no means a complete map of the entire known R1b branch, but it covers a lot of the upper portion, the section that this Backbone tests for.  If you start in the upper left corner with R1b, which was created by the SNP mutation R-M343 and thus the name for this SNP Pack, you can follow the line of outward branches down and to the right until you reach R1b1a1a2, the relatively new International Society of Genetic Genealogy (ISOGG) name for the branch caused by R-M269.  This is the SNP that FTDNA either estimates (in red on our y-Results table) or confirms if they are unsure (in green) for Kits of R1b men who have tested STRs.  On my spreadsheet, this branch and SNP are outlined in bright red.

If you continue moving down and to the right, you reach two large areas that are outlined in dark blue.  These are the two major divisions of R1b - the men of R-U106 and those of R-P312.  Our most recent Big Y tester belongs to the former and I'm part of the latter.

Although this spreadsheet was designed primarily to show owners of R1b Kits all the SNPs this Backbone would test for, so that they could compare that to purchasing Big Y and orient themselves later if they decided to purchase the Backbone, as one our Members recently has, it can be used by anyone to trace a SNP sequence, like the one I outlined in a recent bulk e-mail or what a similar diagram would look like for a SNP pack for your yDNA Haplogroup if your Kit belongs to another one.

If anyone would like a copy of this spreadsheet, please contact me and I will attach it to an e-mail response to you.

 on: April 22, 2016, 03:03:14 AM 
Started by mcclurera - Last post by mcclurera
Forgive me I forgot.
Do not, Do not test on your own.
I and my GD - 10 tested our own design Z253 pack (Z253 arose around 1734 BC) before the experts put these packages together, and at a much greater cost.
There is a Z253 pack offered by FTDNA.
I don't mean to sell anyone anything.
I just want to share what I know about deep clade testing.
We've all seen prices go down and they will continue to do that.
Contact me off line before you even consider a Z253 bundle or anything and I'll be sure to get an Admin to advise us.
If you buy the BigY, I'll consider you can afford it.
Nevertheless, if you do, expect me to sponsor a backbone test for a GD of 5-6 of yours, while the sale lasts.
If not I'll make a contribution to the McClure Project Fund.

 on: April 22, 2016, 01:54:40 AM 
Started by mcclurera - Last post by mcclurera
Sorry for that post.
Let me put it another way for BigY (if that's realistic).
With a P312 test You would probably only see at what snp we split, like me and M-43 (~1500AD @ 10 G.D.), although that might be affordable.
A P312 pack may not show him his branch where his closer relations tie in (ie. "24" mutations at marker 447, that's providing they test too).
Although $99 regularly, that may be discounted further.
The BigY covering abt. 14,000,000 base pairs will come up with the terminal, novel and private SNPs of your branch.
You have to compare haplotypes.
The idea is to narrow down your haplogroup.
As an aside, if you notice the TMRCA for the non McClures (1st post) it seems we split from the Mitchells.
See the link for document for Michel McClure and John Lord Kennedy, 1st Earl Cassillis:

I'll hide for a year or so now.
P.S.  A P312

 on: April 22, 2016, 01:04:26 AM 
Started by Terry - Last post by jstoddard
We descend from the Staffordshire Stoddard

John STODDARD 1760 M SARAH ? 1762
James STODDARD 1781 M Anne FLETCHER 1783
Robert STODDARD 1813 M Mary LEIGH 1814
Thomas STODDARD M Annie BOOTH  (came out to NZ in 1800s)
from here down is in New Zealand
Charles Leslie STODDARD M Gertrude Eleanor GUMMER
Geoffrey Charles STODDARD M Patricia Margaret TURNEY / my parents
Jackie / Jacqueline Margaret STODDARD Maiden name  ME

 on: April 21, 2016, 10:52:19 PM 
Started by eisenlordgottliebwright - Last post by eisenlordgottliebwright
Hello -- we are seeking our Gottlieb family members that are descendants and related to Isiah Gottlieb, (aka Joseph Godley) -- b. 1895 in Brooklyn, New York and d. 1987 in Riverside, CA. He was our maternal grandfather/great-grandfather. His parents were Daniel Gottlieb (1873 - 1922) who immigrated from Russia to Brooklyn, New York; wife -- Lisa, (or, Lena) Goldstein, (1876 to 1925),  also an immigrant, from Poland to New York.

The siblings of Isiah Gottlieb were, Max M. Gottlieb 1897–1944, Charles Gottlieb 1902–,
Rosie Gottlieb 1904–, Lillian Gottlieb 1908–1995 and Stanley Gottlieb 1913–. I have more on the family tree but need help tracing ancestry in Russia and Poland. Anyway, if anyone is related and/or has more information on this Gottlieb branch, please contact us at A surname through marriage is 'Cohen' as well. More information will be provided upon contact and request. It means a lot to us because we never knew this side of our family except for Daniel (Joseph) Gottlieb (Godley) and his children/grandchildren, which we are. Thanks!

 on: April 21, 2016, 08:16:09 PM 
Started by Arthur C. Barker - Last post by Arthur C. Barker
Family Tree DNA just notified Group Administrators that a Sale has begun or will begin shortly in commemoration of National DNA Day.  It will run until one minute to Midnight on Tuesday, 26 April.  This Sale only applies to new tests and add-ons, which they didn't explain what the latter means.  That could mean that if you order more than one test the sale price could apply to it also.  In any case, it does not apply to yDNA STR upgrades and group discounts will not be accepted.  They plan to hold another Sale in June that will be for or will cover yDNA STR upgrades.  The following are the list of price reductions, which are quite attractive:

      Family Finder --       $99.00  to    $79.00
      mtFull Sequence -- $199.00  to  $149.00
      Y-DNA37 --            $169.00  to  $129.00
      Y-DNA67 --            $268.00  to  $199.00
      Y-DNA111 --          $359.00  to  $289.00
      Big Y --                  $575.00  to  $460.00
      SNP Packs --          $119.00  to  $109.00

There is no coupon code for this Sale.  You should see the Sale price at the time you place your order.  If for some reason you do not, then back out of the order and call FTDNA to make sure you receive your reduced price.

 on: April 21, 2016, 08:08:47 PM 
Started by mcclurera - Last post by mcclurera
Some  testing reasoning as I understand understand.  R1b-M269 is the largest haplogroup in Europe so that's not much good for comparison.  DYS492 is the predictor for it.  99.9%.  492=12 would give a P312 pack test.  492=13 a U106, and 14 U152 or Z8.  They still won't narrow you down to within 200-300 years.  So you know your matches but not your branch.  For that you need BigY on sale from 575 to $460.  Check my advice with experts.   R1b for instance mentioned above.

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