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 on: January 07, 2015, 05:17:06 PM 
Started by ForsythAdmin - Last post by Petina Danenberg
James Forsythe m Ann Beattie

James Forsythe b.c. 1835 County Tyrone, N Ireland m Summer Somerville 11 Jan 1855 Newtonstewart, Country Tyrone, N Ireland

Joseph Forsythe b. 14 Nov 1872 Gortin, County Tyrone, N Ireland m. Alice Caroline Townsend 22 May 1895 Christchurch, New Zealand d. 24 Aug 1954 Christchurch, New Zealand

James and Summer Forsythe emigrated with their 9 children to Canterbury, New Zealand in 1873

Kit 353606

 52 
 on: January 07, 2015, 12:55:13 PM 
Started by Marilyn Teaff Barton - Last post by Vickie Glover-Phillips
Hi, my name is Vickie Glover-Phillips,

I have been a member on this site for several years and I wanted to post my pedigree again but can't seem to do it!  My brother submitted his Ancestry DNA test to the web page last night and I am just trying to give a pedigree so you can tye it to him

Kit number will be for James Edward Glover:

Pedigree:
Robert Glover b 1762 TN d unknown M July Choate
           Will W Glover b 1872 TN d 1935 TN  M Julia Joiner
                  Wesley Lee Glover b 1921 TN D 1979 Butte County CA M Lettie Mai Powell aka Nelson
                       I have a lot more information but am in the process of looking for it all  I do know that Roberts father was William W Glover in Christin county Kentucky who was married to a Susan J, but can't find her info, but do know that this William died in Texas in 1910 while living with his daughter who married a Banaster R Terrell
              

 53 
 on: January 07, 2015, 05:43:54 AM 
Started by Maliclavelli - Last post by Maliclavelli
First of all I thank you for having posted your private letter.
If we compare your 67Y with an Italian and with the modal (even though I criticized many times in the past the same concept of a "modal"), we can see that Malagodi has 21 mutations as to the modal and you have 21 mutations too
5Z2Y6   Malagodi Cento (Fe), Italy    
13   24   13   11   11   14   13   12   12   13   13   29   17   9   10   10   11   25   17   19   32   15   15   17   18   10   12   19   23   17   14   17   17   38   38   10   12   12   12   14   11   9   15   16   8   10   10   8   12   10   23   23   17   10   12   12   15   8   22   20   12   11   14   11   11   12   12
5KDKE   R-L51+ Modal   Unknown    
13   24   14   11   11   14   13   12   12   13   13   29   17   9   10   11   11   25   15   19   30   15   15   17   18   11   11   19   23   16   15   18   17   36   37   12   12   12   12   14   11   9   15   16   8   10   10   8   10   10   23   23   16   10   12   12   16   8   22   20   12   11   13   11   11   12   12
Serdarsabri
14   24   14   10   11   14   13   11   14   12   13   28   17   9   10   11   11   25   15   19   31   15   16   17   17   10   11   19   23   16   15   18   17   35   36   12   12   12   13   12   11   9   16   16   8   10   10   8   10   11   21   23   15   10   12   12   15   8   22   20   12   11   13   11   11   12   12
We may discuss about the quality of the mutations, but that your haplotype were particularly varied probably isn't true. My idea, as it is undisputable that the highest frequency of R-L51 is  in Italy rather than in the Balkans, is that your haplotype from Macedonia very likely descends from the Italian Refugium which could be in the submerged Adriatic too. Of course only a deep SNP test (Big Y, Y Prime, Y Elite, Full Genome) could say something definitive.     
   

 54 
 on: January 07, 2015, 04:23:06 AM 
Started by Maliclavelli - Last post by serdarsabri
Thanks for yor guidance Maliclavelli Rathna Claire Gioiello :) To clarify forum I paste my message below:

Hi,
I just noticed the L51 section of this forum and I am one of the verified L51 mentioned, f46468 ******. I live in ******, Turkey but my paternal ancestors were immigrants from Greek Macedonia, Kastoria. They came after Turkish-Greek War about 100 years ago.

I bought PF7589 SNP test from FTDNA, waiting for the result. I want to learn something further on L51 geneology,  if you can guide I will appreciate.

Regards
Serdar

 55 
 on: January 07, 2015, 02:01:21 AM 
Started by Maliclavelli - Last post by Maliclavelli
These are the other samples with DYF395S1a=16, but they belong to three different clusters (11 13 12 12 12 12, 11 13 10 11 12 12 the Irish one, 11 13 11 11 12 12) and the mutation in DYF395S1a may be independent:                              
80593    Jacob G Abrahams, b.1798, Bonhoefferfeld, Prussia Poland R-L51    
13    25    14    10    11-14    13    12    12    12    13    27    17    9-10    11    10    24    15    19    29    15-16-17-18    11    11    19-23    16    15    18    17    36-39    12    12    11    9    16-16    8    10    10    8    10    11    12    23-23    15    10    12    12    16    8    12    21    21    14    12    11    13    12    12    12    12                                         
111988  John Collins, b. Northampton Co., Va; d. 1824    Unknown Origin R-L51    
13    25    14    11    11-14    13    12    12    13    13    29    16    9-10    11    11    24    15    19    30    15-15-16-18    11    11    19-23    15    17    17    17    36-38    12    12    11    9    16-16    8    10    10    8    11    10    12    23-23    16    10    12    12    16    8    13    22    20    12    12    10    13    10    11    12    12                                         
134706  Mr. Shadrack Collins I Ireland R-L51    
13    25    14    11    11-14    13    12    13    13    13    29    16    9-10    11    11    24    15    19    30    15-15-16-18    11    11    19-23    15    17    17    17    36-37    12    12    11    9    16-16    8    10    10    8    11    10    12    23-23    16    10    12    12    16    8    13    22    20    12    12    10    13    10    11    12    12                                                                                 
22103    John Thomas Worner/Warner, b. 1786 SC; d. 1880 LA Unknown Origin R-CTS6889
13    24    14    11    11-15    13    12    12    13    13    30    17    9-10    11    11    25    15    19    29    14-15-15-18    10    11    19-23    16    14    19    18    37-39    11    12    11    9    16-16    8    10    10    8    10    11    12    23-23    16    10    12    12    15    8    12    22    20    13    12    11    13    11    11    12    12    34    15    9    16    12    26    26    19    11    11    13    12    10    9    13    12    10    11    11    30    12    13    24    13    10    10    24    15    18    14    24    17    12    14    24    12    23    18    12    14    17    9    11    11

 56 
 on: January 06, 2015, 06:17:43 PM 
Started by Maliclavelli - Last post by Maliclavelli
Hi Serdar, Maliclavelli Rathna Claire Gioiello are the same person: I. I supposed that this was your haplotype, and now you confirm this. I wrote before receiving your letters on Facebook and Worldfamilies:
The unique R-L51 in Turkey is this:

46468     Turkey     R-L51    
14     24     14     10     11-14     13     11     14     12     13     28     17     9-10     11     11     25     15     19     31     15-16-17-17     10     11     19-23     16     15     18     17     35-36     12     12     11     9     16-16     8     10     10     8     10     11     12     21-23     15     10     12     12     15     8     13     22     20     12     12     11     13     11     11     12     12
An indeed very old haplotype, with DYS388=11 and  DYF395S1a=16

and we may put everything together here. On Anthrogenica (where I was Rathna) I wrote a lot about hg. R-L51 and there I supposed that, because we found a link between the Tuscan samples from 1 Thousand Genomes Project (1KGP) and some Irish haplotypes, that L51 was amongst the agriculturalists that migrated from Italy by sea 7500 years ago to Iberia and from there to Ireland. There could be a trace of that in the second map of the hg  R-L51 done by Richard Rocca. The first map was done by Argiedude with data I gave him and it is my avatar and is the map you posted on FB in your private letters to me.  You could read all that thread on R-L51 on Anthrogenica. Here  I am a moderator but there there was a moderator who moderated me. We may continue here our discussion.
The second map you posted on FB is the theory that is my opponent, that the diffusion of hg R1b began from Middle East and expanded to Europe with the first (or second)agriculturalists. This is the theory that the most part of people follows. It began probably with Cavalli Sforza and Ammerman, is the theory that Vincent Vizachero put in his "R1b1 FTDNA Project" and also in the "R1b1a2 (P312-, U106-) FTDNA Project", then "ht 35 Project", is the theory of Dr. Hammer and lastly also of MJost. Other people follow the Kurgan theory of Marija Gimbutas and put the origin of R1b from South Russia rather than Middle East.
I think that R1b1-L389+ has its highest presence and variance in Italy and Western Europe, and about that I wrote many thousands of letters on many fora.
You ask me if I know the "ht 35 FTDNA Project". Now, thanks above all to Sergey Malyshev, that project has a very good tree and from the data of that tree we all hope to get the truth of the R1b path in Europe. I know that map, because I contributed to that when I wrote on Anthrogenica (see my thread "R1b phylogeny") and I am waiting that Sergey put the data of my Full Genome there and about them I spoke on eng.molgen, and we'll see if my hypotheses will be confirmed or not by Sergey and by YFull.
What can we say about your R-L51? It seems to me that your haplotype is interesting, with very rare mutations, but, having DYS572=11 and not 10 like the Irish haplotypes, it is linked to the Central European clusters and not to the most ancient Tuscan-Irish ones. Your series are the modal ones: 8 10 10 8 10 11 / 11 13 11 11 12 12 and very likely your haplotype comes from Central Europe and isn't the oldest one. You can see in the smal (Sergey Malyshev) tree on the "R1b1a2 (P312-, U106-) FTDNA Project" that the oldest haplotypes of R-L51 are the Tuscan and Irish ones, thus that you are testing PF7589, for which you of course will be positive being R-L51, has a little meaning, because it would be better to test for the CTS6889 SNP, because only who is negatìve belongs to that that I esteem the oldest haplotype. Anyway to deepen your haplotype will be very interesting and it will be able to carry an important contribute for understanding the origin and the diffusion of hg R1b in Europe.
  

 57 
 on: January 06, 2015, 05:44:34 PM 
Started by Charles Harrington - Last post by jrosales2000
Robert Harrington, b. 1807, Ireland d. 1860, PA m. Jane b. 1816, Ireland or England d. 1860, PA
Henry A. Harrington b. 1851, d. unknown m. Mary Alice Marlett b. 1878 d. unknown
Julius Harrington b. 1896, d. unknown

 58 
 on: January 06, 2015, 05:32:40 PM 
Started by rosalesAdmin - Last post by jrosales2000
Kit Number: B40648
Tirso Rosales, B c1875, Mexico, possibly Guanajuato, M to Maria Tiburcia Rocha
Joaquin Rosales, B 1897, Guanajuato, Mexico, M to Silvina G Gonzalez
Joaquin Rosales, B 1921, Puebla, Mexico, M to Maria Godinez


 59 
 on: January 06, 2015, 10:10:12 AM 
Started by rms2 - Last post by Maliclavelli
Thank you both

Etymology of my family name leads to a germanic name coming in north west of France. My genealogy fits with it with ancestors in Normandy (France), that s why I supposed that one of my ancestor came from Germany (or viking ?) to Normandy at least around 11-12th century.
I will make more tests if it is not too expansive for me.
A German origin of your family makes more likable to belong to hg. R-U106. Perhaps you could interest the R-U106 thread below and wing_genealogist...

 60 
 on: January 06, 2015, 02:10:06 AM 
Started by rms2 - Last post by asty
Thank you both

Etymology of my family name leads to a germanic name coming in north west of France. My genealogy fits with it with ancestors in Normandy (France), that s why I supposed that one of my ancestor came from Germany (or viking ?) to Normandy at least around 11-12th century.
I will make more tests if it is not too expansive for me.

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