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 on: August 21, 2014, 10:27:06 AM 
Started by lobobravo1945 - Last post by razyn
So now I am R-Z220. What does that mean?
Any help appreciated.

If you join the R1b-DF27 haplogroup project, and subscribe to the Yahoo group that discusses it, and reveal your kit number (especially if you tested at FTDNA), you will get more advice, that is more likely to be up to date.  Particularly about the many possibilities downstream of Z220.

 on: August 19, 2014, 07:20:47 PM 
Started by Terry Barton - Last post by handot67
Hi to everyone,
 I can't open the page to add my pedigree, any help?
Anyway I'm a T1 from Naples, Southern  Italy, my HVR1 mutations are:

Any match out there? My furthest ancestry  known is my great-grand mother, living in the same place I was born.

I am a match with mutations listed on 2nd, 3rd, 4th, 5th, 7th and 8th.  Do you know how to interpret these results.  I have had my results for approx. 6 mos however do not know where to go from here.  My email is  Any help in understanding and interpreting the results would be appreciated.  Helen Fink

 on: August 19, 2014, 09:50:56 AM 
Started by Terry Barton - Last post by handot67

My name is Susanne Gustafsson and I live in Sweden. My MtDNA is T1a1b with extra mutations: 315.1C  522.1A  522.2C  G15323A

My HVR1 DIFFERENCES FROM RSRS: T16126C A16129G  A16163G  C16186T  T16187C  T16223C  G16230A  T16278C  C16294T  C16311T

My HVR2 DIFFERENCES FROM RSRS: C146T  A247G  315.1C  522.1A  522.2C

Anyone out there with similar MtDNA?

Feel free to Contact me:

Best Wishes,
Susanne Gustafsson

 Hi Suzanne,  I will not pretend to verify that I understand how DNA is used in genealogy.  I understand mother's link, mutations, etc and this is why I am posting this.  Your question regarding HVR1 and if anyone has a common link.  I am a T1 haplogroup and I do have the HVR1 16126.  It is at this level that my link mutates from the T to a C.  Do you know how to interpret this as far as common ancestors and how do we show linkage?  Can anyone help me to understand. My email is  I have had both my brothers and my results for over 6 months and cannot find out how to utilize them.  Appreciate any help from ANYONE who understands DNA.  Helen Fink

 on: August 19, 2014, 09:38:05 AM 
Started by Terry Barton - Last post by handot67
Last year I had the HVR1 and HVR2 test through FTDNA. They classified me as T5. I have read a few times in various places that it is not even certain if there is a true subclade T5.

What does it take to establish that a new mtDNA subclade actually has been discovered? If T5 is not an actual subclade, then where does it belong on the T phylogenetic tree?

Also, I have noticed that there are 39 T5's on - I am 6M79M there. I have two HVR1 mutations which seem to be rare for the T5 subclade. These are 16189C ( I do have 2 people on the T5 list who match me on that) and 16274A, which no else matches. Is there any way to estimate how recent those two mutations are or if they will mainly be found in one geographical area? One of my matches to 189C has ancestry from northern Italy and my maternal line, at least back to c. 1817, is from southern Italy. I find this interesting.

Mike Maddi
Co-Administrator of the Sicily Project at FTDNA
yDNA - R1b1c9*
mtDNA - T5

Hi Mike,  I was reading your post and find it quite interesting.  My brother and I both had our dna tested and our haplogroup is T1.  I have to admit I do not know how to use the results for DNA results however your HVR1 results triggered a memory.  One of my HVR1 results is also  16189C .  Do you know how to use this to determine if we have a common ancestor.  My email is  I would very much like to hear from you as this seems to be the closest I have come to any links.  I have attempted to research how to utilize my results to determine ancestrial lines and I have called both family link dna and ancestry however the information did not help me to understand it any easier.  I am trying to find someone who has a HVR1 common # and know how to interpret it.  Thanks.  Helen Fink

 on: August 17, 2014, 03:38:10 PM 
Started by Elizabeth Kipp - Last post by cbweaver79
Matrilineal Lineage of Charles Burd Weaver IV kit#284744

Charles Burd Weaver IV (b1979)
Mother Susan E. Dwyer (b Jan 20, 1950)(m Charles Burd Weaver III)
daughter of Lorraine Marion Brownell (b 1928)(m Philip Alexander Dwyer)
daughter of Alice Mae Wheeler (b1898)(m Francis Edward Brownell)
daughter of Mary Colway (b 1862 New York)(m Frank A Wheeler)
daughter of Bridget Colway(b 1843 Ireland)(m Martin Colway b 1825 Ireland... surname Colway traces to Dorrah, Tipperary, Ireland in 1901 census of Ireland)

 on: August 17, 2014, 11:42:42 AM 
Started by Bill Golden - Last post by M. Gaulden
John Gaulding, b. 1698, New Kent County, Virginia or England, d.1740 New Kent County Virginia m. Mary Anne Stuart
  John Mathew Gaulding Sr., b. before 1705 in New Kent County, Virginia d. October 1773, Prince Edward, Virginia m. Elizabeth Geer
    John Gaulding, Jr., b. 1735, d. after September 8, 1781, SC, m.Susannah (Brumfield) Lewis
     Dempsey Gaulden, b.1767 in Sumter County, SC, d.1840, York County, SC, m. Elizabeth Hemphill
      James Dempsey Gaulden, b.August 1, 1826 in York County, SC, d.January 10, 1904 in York, SC, m. Dorcas L. Garrison
       John James Gaulden, b.January 16, 1853 in York, SC, d. October 15, 1932 in York, SC, m. Nancy M. McElmoyle
        Fletcher Earl Gaulden, b.February23, 1896, d. June 4, 1970 in Laurens, SC, m. Sarah Frances Templeton
         Confidential Gaulden  Kit#358390

 on: August 16, 2014, 10:34:55 AM 
Started by draperAdmin - Last post by Clarice Vernon Draper, Jr.
•       ​Kit Number: 342445​
•       Me: ​Clarice Vernon Draper, Jr.
•       ​Email: 

I have tested:
FTDNA DF27+ (Haplo: R1b-DF27)
FTDNA Family Finder

AncestryDNA Autosomal

23andMe Autosomal

This is an invite to any/all of my data.


 on: August 15, 2014, 09:40:10 PM 
Started by Jef Treece - Last post by Jef Treece
A number of descendants of Michael Treece, b. 1759, have now done a yDNA test.  One tester matches the "main" group - lineage 1 - of Treece yDNA results.  The others do not match.

The fact that one person does match makes me revise my theory.  I now suspect:

  • Michael Treece b.1759 was a biological descendant of Peter Dries, b.1716.
  • There may have been more than one Michael, and records might be intermixed
  • The NPE I seek could be George Treece/Trease b. abt 1787

I have also done autosomal DNA testing, and I match as a distant cousin more than one person who is a descendant of Michael's sibling(s).  Of course the assumed family tree is based on traditional genealogy research by others and myself.  Two Michaels could explain how I share Michael's parent(s) as an ancestor with some other testers, yet Michael himself also matches lineage 1 in the project -- they could be two different people/families.

We really need some more descendants of Michael and George in the project, since no clear pattern has emerged yet.

Feel free to add your thoughts to this discussion or contact me.

 on: August 15, 2014, 08:20:43 AM 
Started by Randy Harr - Last post by Randy Harr
As our former Wiki page did not transfer to this new site, history of the group and its transformation have been lost.  Here is an attempt to capture a summary to date.

Tim Peterson started the group over 10 years ago. His stated goal then was to finally lay to rest the claims of linkage (or not) between the Charles Hoar and Hezekiah Hoar lines of North America.  But the group lay dormant for 6 years with Tim's cousin being the only participant.

Randy Harr tested in early 2011 as he hit a roadblock in traditional research. Roz Edson of the Horr Project of North America had already assisted him in discovering his surname change from Horr to Harr in 1900.  But records earlier than 1800 were not forthcoming.  Upon testing, Randy showed a strong match to Gordon Hoard who had extensive research and ties to the Hezekiah Hoar line of North America.  Randy joined the DNA surname project with Tim only to discover Gordon and his results were quite distinct from Tim's relative. Roz had her relative tested and he also linked to Randy and Gordon.  So Randy and Roz started recruiting more to get tested and offered to co-admin the group with Tim.

Others started getting tested and introduced new lines.  But almost all lines, like previousl published research, claimed lineage to the Hore family of Risford Manor in Chagford, Devon.  So the project has evolved into one of trying to catalog and distinguish lines of middle-ages England.  We use DNA testing as just another tool in genealogical research to more definitively define lines of ancestry.  Not that the Risford Manor Hore's are distinctive in any way or should have a stronger desire for people to be a part of.  But more to help uncover the additional lines that need to be researched to the extant that the Risford Hore's have been. And maybe to genetically type Richard Hore of the 1300's if that is possible to ascertain.

 on: August 12, 2014, 03:54:18 PM 
Started by Biscuits - Last post by Clara J. Miller
I had my DNA done thru 23andme as a Christmas gift last Year from my Son
My GGG-Grandfather was Patrick O'Conner His wife Sarah Elizabeth ? was of Lumbee Indian decent.
I am U5b2a2 - Haplogroup - U5 - Subgroup R
I am 5th. generation Lumbee decent
Me - My Mother - My Grandmother - My G-Grandmother - My GG-Grandmother
And My GGG- Grandmother Sarah Elizabeth ? O'Conner
I would love to find out her birth name.
Thank You

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