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What prejudices?

If you ask about prejudices, this does mean that lobbies and “banishments” are objective (difficult to deny them: at the end of 2007 from Rootsweb, after from DNA-forums, many banishments promised to me also here, before many people abandoned this forums, on eng.molgen, before the most people not R1a abandoned that forum, on Anthrogenica, more than a promised banishment in the language of the football (soccer for you) we’d say in Italian a “melina” done by some moderators).

Which prejudice? Above all that against Ancient Romans, to whom many of you regret the annihilation of Celtic cultures. Only one of you recognized that Romans had some reasons for this for the invasion of North Italy, the facts at Rome of 390 BC, etc. And you should remember that Celts and Italics were the same people and my theory is that their origin was just in Italy.

Which argument do they use who think that hg. R comes from Asia? That Q and before P and the linked NO and also S etc. are  found in Asia now, then also R was born in Asia. And which argument do they use who believe that man was born in Africa, above all against Anatole Klyosov’s theory? That AOO, A ,B, are above all in Africa, then also CT comes from Africa.
You should be coherent, and not to use this argument when it likes you but always.

I agree! I think using genetics to point someone to a past  cultures and ethnic group are highly subjective, IMHO.

About the rms2’s regret that I use single samples, I could say that if I were the owner of firms which test thousands of samples I would be able to use thousands of samples.
SMGF hasn’t yet released the complete test of Toniolo, I am not able to test (neither to contact) Mangino/Mancini, and lately neither Marchesi etc. But I am sure of myself and you will see that I’ll win, against prejudices, banishments and the powers of many lobbies.

What prejudices?

Gioiello's argument seems to be similar to a Post hoc ergo propter hoc!

Which argument do they use who think that hg. R comes from Asia? That Q and before P and the linked NO and also S etc. are  found in Asia now, then also R was born in Asia. And which argument do they use who believe that man was born in Africa, above all against Anatole Klyosov’s theory? That AOO, A ,B, are above all in Africa, then also CT comes from Africa.
You should be coherent, and not to use this argument when it likes you but always.

About the rms2’s regret that I use single samples, I could say that if I were the owner of firms which test thousands of samples I would be able to use thousands of samples.
SMGF hasn’t yet released the complete test of Toniolo, I am not able to test (neither to contact) Mangino/Mancini, and lately neither Marchesi etc. But I am sure of myself and you will see that I’ll win, against prejudices, banishments and the powers of many lobbies.

Sorry, Gioiello, but arguing for a western origin for R1b is just silly. Now you are saying R1a originated in the West, as well?

When I read your arguments, they are all about this particular individual's haplotype or that individual's haplotype, as found at FTDNA or SMGF or yhrd. They are tenuous at best and tedious to follow, not to mention unconvincing (sorry).

R1's closest genetic relatives are all focused in the East, and R1b is oldest in the East, where most of the Q and R1a are also found.

I don't want to get bogged down in this kind of really fringe stuff, so I'll leave it at that.

Gioiello's argument seems to be similar to a Post hoc ergo propter hoc!

I think he should be taken seriously because he is certainly no layperson, Mark Thomas is professor of evolutionary genetics at University College Londons!

Your theory and those of VV and all the others wasn’t that of the origin of R1b, but that of the recent introgression of R1b1a2 into Europe from Middle East or from the steppes and above all of the recent origin of these subclades and probably about all this you all have been and will be more in the future the losers.

Sorry, Gioiello, but arguing for a western origin for R1b is just silly. Now you are saying R1a originated in the West, as well?

When I read your arguments, they are all about this particular individual's haplotype or that individual's haplotype, as found at FTDNA or SMGF or yhrd. They are tenuous at best and tedious to follow, not to mention unconvincing (sorry).

R1's closest genetic relatives are all focused in the East, and R1b is oldest in the East, where most of the Q and R1a are also found.

I don't want to get bogged down in this kind of really fringe stuff, so I'll leave it at that.

You are free to think and to do what you want. I haven’t spoken about the origin of R (I have said recently that if R is linked to Q and both descend from P, it is very likely that the origin is in Asia), but about the origin of R1b1 and subclades as well as of R1a-M420. I have received this morning a letter of my friend Sam Vass with the last Geno 2.0 about these early subclades, and if I were you I’d be less sure about your positions.
Anyway the aDNA will solve the question and so far, for what I know, the most ancient is that found in Germany about 5000 YBP. When some R springs up elsewhere, I’ll be glad to look at it.

Sorry, Gioiello, but arguing for a western origin for R1b is just silly. Now you are saying R1a originated in the West, as well?

When I read your arguments, they are all about this particular individual's haplotype or that individual's haplotype, as found at FTDNA or SMGF or yhrd. They are tenuous at best and tedious to follow, not to mention unconvincing (sorry).

R1's closest genetic relatives are all focused in the East, and R1b is oldest in the East, where most of the Q and R1a are also found.

I don't want to get bogged down in this kind of really fringe stuff, so I'll leave it at that.